How can I safely remove a SATA disk from a running system?
I sometimes need to plug a disk into a disk bay. At other times, I have the very weird setup of connecting a SSD using a SATA-eSATA cable on my laptop while pulling power from a desktop.
How can I safely remove the SATA disk from the system? This Phoronix forum thread has some suggestions:
justsumdood wrote:
An(noymous)droid wrote:
What then do you do on the software side before unplugging? Is it a simple "umount /dev/sd"[drive letter]?
after unmounting the device, to "power off" (or sleep) the unit:
hdparm -Y /dev/sdX
(where X represents the device you wish to power off. for example: /dev/sdb)
this will power the drive down allowing for it's removal w/o risk of voltage surge.
Does this mean that the disk caches are properly flushed and powered off thereafter?
Another suggestion from the same thread:
chithanh wrote:
All SATA and eSATA hardware is physically able to be hotplugged (ie. not damaged if you insert/pull the plug).
How the chipset and driver handles this is another question. Some driver/chipset combinations do not properly handle hotplugging and need a warmplug command such as the following one:
echo 0 - 0 > /sys/class/scsi_host/hostX/scan
Replace X with the appropriate number for your SATA/eSATA port.
I doubt whether is the correct way to do so, but I cannot find some proof against it either.
So, what is the correct way to remove an attached disk from a system? Assume that I have already unmounted every partition on the disk and ran sync
. Please point to some official documentation if possible, I could not find anything in the Linux documentation tree, nor the Linux ATA wiki.
ssd sata hot-plug disk
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I sometimes need to plug a disk into a disk bay. At other times, I have the very weird setup of connecting a SSD using a SATA-eSATA cable on my laptop while pulling power from a desktop.
How can I safely remove the SATA disk from the system? This Phoronix forum thread has some suggestions:
justsumdood wrote:
An(noymous)droid wrote:
What then do you do on the software side before unplugging? Is it a simple "umount /dev/sd"[drive letter]?
after unmounting the device, to "power off" (or sleep) the unit:
hdparm -Y /dev/sdX
(where X represents the device you wish to power off. for example: /dev/sdb)
this will power the drive down allowing for it's removal w/o risk of voltage surge.
Does this mean that the disk caches are properly flushed and powered off thereafter?
Another suggestion from the same thread:
chithanh wrote:
All SATA and eSATA hardware is physically able to be hotplugged (ie. not damaged if you insert/pull the plug).
How the chipset and driver handles this is another question. Some driver/chipset combinations do not properly handle hotplugging and need a warmplug command such as the following one:
echo 0 - 0 > /sys/class/scsi_host/hostX/scan
Replace X with the appropriate number for your SATA/eSATA port.
I doubt whether is the correct way to do so, but I cannot find some proof against it either.
So, what is the correct way to remove an attached disk from a system? Assume that I have already unmounted every partition on the disk and ran sync
. Please point to some official documentation if possible, I could not find anything in the Linux documentation tree, nor the Linux ATA wiki.
ssd sata hot-plug disk
add a comment |
I sometimes need to plug a disk into a disk bay. At other times, I have the very weird setup of connecting a SSD using a SATA-eSATA cable on my laptop while pulling power from a desktop.
How can I safely remove the SATA disk from the system? This Phoronix forum thread has some suggestions:
justsumdood wrote:
An(noymous)droid wrote:
What then do you do on the software side before unplugging? Is it a simple "umount /dev/sd"[drive letter]?
after unmounting the device, to "power off" (or sleep) the unit:
hdparm -Y /dev/sdX
(where X represents the device you wish to power off. for example: /dev/sdb)
this will power the drive down allowing for it's removal w/o risk of voltage surge.
Does this mean that the disk caches are properly flushed and powered off thereafter?
Another suggestion from the same thread:
chithanh wrote:
All SATA and eSATA hardware is physically able to be hotplugged (ie. not damaged if you insert/pull the plug).
How the chipset and driver handles this is another question. Some driver/chipset combinations do not properly handle hotplugging and need a warmplug command such as the following one:
echo 0 - 0 > /sys/class/scsi_host/hostX/scan
Replace X with the appropriate number for your SATA/eSATA port.
I doubt whether is the correct way to do so, but I cannot find some proof against it either.
So, what is the correct way to remove an attached disk from a system? Assume that I have already unmounted every partition on the disk and ran sync
. Please point to some official documentation if possible, I could not find anything in the Linux documentation tree, nor the Linux ATA wiki.
ssd sata hot-plug disk
I sometimes need to plug a disk into a disk bay. At other times, I have the very weird setup of connecting a SSD using a SATA-eSATA cable on my laptop while pulling power from a desktop.
How can I safely remove the SATA disk from the system? This Phoronix forum thread has some suggestions:
justsumdood wrote:
An(noymous)droid wrote:
What then do you do on the software side before unplugging? Is it a simple "umount /dev/sd"[drive letter]?
after unmounting the device, to "power off" (or sleep) the unit:
hdparm -Y /dev/sdX
(where X represents the device you wish to power off. for example: /dev/sdb)
this will power the drive down allowing for it's removal w/o risk of voltage surge.
Does this mean that the disk caches are properly flushed and powered off thereafter?
Another suggestion from the same thread:
chithanh wrote:
All SATA and eSATA hardware is physically able to be hotplugged (ie. not damaged if you insert/pull the plug).
How the chipset and driver handles this is another question. Some driver/chipset combinations do not properly handle hotplugging and need a warmplug command such as the following one:
echo 0 - 0 > /sys/class/scsi_host/hostX/scan
Replace X with the appropriate number for your SATA/eSATA port.
I doubt whether is the correct way to do so, but I cannot find some proof against it either.
So, what is the correct way to remove an attached disk from a system? Assume that I have already unmounted every partition on the disk and ran sync
. Please point to some official documentation if possible, I could not find anything in the Linux documentation tree, nor the Linux ATA wiki.
ssd sata hot-plug disk
ssd sata hot-plug disk
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- Unmount any filesystems on the disk. (
umount ...
) - Deactivate any LVM groups. (
vgchange -an
) - Make sure nothing is using the disk for anything.
- Once you've done that, it should be safe to unplug.
If you want to be extra cautious, do echo 1 > /sys/block/(whatever)/device/delete
first. That'll unregister the device from the kernel, so you know nothing's using it when you unplug it. When I do that with a drive in an eSATA enclosure, I can hear the drive's heads park themselves, so the kernel apparently tells the drive to prepare for power-down.
If you're using an AHCI controller, it should cope with devices being unplugged. If you're using some other sort of SATA controller, the driver might be confused by hotplugging.
In my experience, SATA hotplugging (with AHCI) works pretty well in Linux. I've unplugged an optical drive, plugged in a hard drive, scanned it for errors, made a filesystem and copied data to it, unmounted and unplugged it, plugged in a differerent DVD drive, and burned a disc, all with the machine up and running.
I had a need to unplug a HDD which I wanted to erase completely. After pulling the disk out of the bay, /dev/sdXY still showed up. Writing1
todelete
made it disappear and I could hear the disk spinning down. Justhdparm -Y
was not enough because the/dev/
entries would still exist. Thanks!
– Lekensteyn
Aug 9 '12 at 9:25
12
I strongly advice to always issue theecho 1 > /sys/block/(whatever)/device/delete
command because the drive will park the heads, fully stop the disk and disable power on the bus. If a non-parked head touches a spinning plate the drive can be permanently destroyed.
– drumfire
Feb 12 '14 at 21:21
2
Also - if smartd happens to be running, it's a good idea to issue a SIGHUP to the process so that it reloads the drive info. Especially important if you're replacing drives because smartd will reload the info for that drive and all others.
– drumfire
Feb 12 '14 at 21:23
1
Just one note worth mentioning,echo 1 > /sys/block/(whatever)/device/delete
will not work undersudo
, the "Permission denied" error will be thrown. You'll need to become a real root, so use plain oldsu
instead.
– TranslucentCloud
Mar 29 '15 at 10:59
10
@TranslucentCloud You can pipe it throughsudo tee
to emulate a redirect as root:echo 1 | sudo tee /sys/block/(whatever)/device/delete
– Oli
Apr 15 '15 at 20:54
|
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Those two sections are for different things.
The first is for unplugging. The second is for plugging.
For unplugging, the OS will sync the data during the unmount operation. Thus, if the disk is unmounted (assuming you in fact do have full hardware support) you can power off the disk then unplug it without risk of data loss or corruption.
For plugging, the device should be automatically recognized. If not, you can execute that command to trigger a bus scan. Once the device is recognized you can mount it.
And let me caveat this by saying I've only ever done this sort of thing with USB drives.
Thanks for your answer, but I am still not convinced what the correct action would be. SSDs have a "Unsafe Shutdown Count" S.M.A.R.T. field, just unplugging it without doing anything does not sound safe to me.
– Lekensteyn
Jul 18 '12 at 21:58
3
If it helps, I routinely hot-plug and hot-unplug SATA hard drives as part of my job, with no more than making sure it's unmounted first, and I've never run into a problem. That's anecdotal, so don't take it as gospel, but it's at least some evidence that it's likely safe. In any case, I'd consider it a kernel bug if the OS doesn't ensure that the data is fully written at the end of an unmount operation, especially in a hotplug world.
– Jander
Jul 19 '12 at 0:24
1
@Lekensteyn, thehdparm -Y
will take care of that. That is basically what the system does every time you suspend or shutdown.
– psusi
Jul 19 '12 at 13:16
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what about eject /dev/sdX
? On my setup, this commands umounts, syncs and powers down the drive.
4
I tried this with a disk connected over eSATA but the command failed with "not hotpluggable" or something.
– Lekensteyn
Aug 30 '13 at 9:29
1
Afaik eject plugs out the pluggable disk and not the device. It depends on that the block device driver supports theioctl()
operation used by theeject
tool. Esata hard disk drives don't support it, but optical devices, floppies and probably flash drives, yes.
– peterh
Jul 31 '15 at 4:11
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I have a pair of scripts that build upon the answer by Wyzard. The first, scsi-drop
, is to safely detach a single disk:
#!/bin/sh
if test -h "$1"
then
disk=$(chase "$1")
else
disk="$1"
fi
if test -b "$disk"
then
echo 1 >/sys/block/$(basename "$disk")/device/delete
else
echo "$0: not a block device: $1" >&2
exit 1
fi
Its main benefit is that you can pass it a symlink, such as found in /dev/disk/by-id/
and it will resolve that to the real device. It does require chase
to be installed; you might be able to get the same result using readlink -e
.
The second script, scsi-rescan
, is used after hotplugging a new device:
#!/bin/bash
exec tee /sys/class/scsi_host/host*/scan <<<'- - -' >/dev/null
This makes all adapters re-scan for devices. It was the only way I managed to get the new capacity and partition table to be read.
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actually sata drives automatically parks the head when power is lost from what i know so pulling the drive while still spinning should not result in issues however spinning disks are prone to dings while spinning. you can hear this when you have flaky power or solar flares :P
the most damage is usually from non flushed cache and uncommitted writes in buffers etc ... this is why you MUST unmount a drive before removing it . the scsi command is just good measures to the same end.
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- Unmount any filesystems on the disk. (
umount ...
) - Deactivate any LVM groups. (
vgchange -an
) - Make sure nothing is using the disk for anything.
- Once you've done that, it should be safe to unplug.
If you want to be extra cautious, do echo 1 > /sys/block/(whatever)/device/delete
first. That'll unregister the device from the kernel, so you know nothing's using it when you unplug it. When I do that with a drive in an eSATA enclosure, I can hear the drive's heads park themselves, so the kernel apparently tells the drive to prepare for power-down.
If you're using an AHCI controller, it should cope with devices being unplugged. If you're using some other sort of SATA controller, the driver might be confused by hotplugging.
In my experience, SATA hotplugging (with AHCI) works pretty well in Linux. I've unplugged an optical drive, plugged in a hard drive, scanned it for errors, made a filesystem and copied data to it, unmounted and unplugged it, plugged in a differerent DVD drive, and burned a disc, all with the machine up and running.
I had a need to unplug a HDD which I wanted to erase completely. After pulling the disk out of the bay, /dev/sdXY still showed up. Writing1
todelete
made it disappear and I could hear the disk spinning down. Justhdparm -Y
was not enough because the/dev/
entries would still exist. Thanks!
– Lekensteyn
Aug 9 '12 at 9:25
12
I strongly advice to always issue theecho 1 > /sys/block/(whatever)/device/delete
command because the drive will park the heads, fully stop the disk and disable power on the bus. If a non-parked head touches a spinning plate the drive can be permanently destroyed.
– drumfire
Feb 12 '14 at 21:21
2
Also - if smartd happens to be running, it's a good idea to issue a SIGHUP to the process so that it reloads the drive info. Especially important if you're replacing drives because smartd will reload the info for that drive and all others.
– drumfire
Feb 12 '14 at 21:23
1
Just one note worth mentioning,echo 1 > /sys/block/(whatever)/device/delete
will not work undersudo
, the "Permission denied" error will be thrown. You'll need to become a real root, so use plain oldsu
instead.
– TranslucentCloud
Mar 29 '15 at 10:59
10
@TranslucentCloud You can pipe it throughsudo tee
to emulate a redirect as root:echo 1 | sudo tee /sys/block/(whatever)/device/delete
– Oli
Apr 15 '15 at 20:54
|
show 1 more comment
- Unmount any filesystems on the disk. (
umount ...
) - Deactivate any LVM groups. (
vgchange -an
) - Make sure nothing is using the disk for anything.
- Once you've done that, it should be safe to unplug.
If you want to be extra cautious, do echo 1 > /sys/block/(whatever)/device/delete
first. That'll unregister the device from the kernel, so you know nothing's using it when you unplug it. When I do that with a drive in an eSATA enclosure, I can hear the drive's heads park themselves, so the kernel apparently tells the drive to prepare for power-down.
If you're using an AHCI controller, it should cope with devices being unplugged. If you're using some other sort of SATA controller, the driver might be confused by hotplugging.
In my experience, SATA hotplugging (with AHCI) works pretty well in Linux. I've unplugged an optical drive, plugged in a hard drive, scanned it for errors, made a filesystem and copied data to it, unmounted and unplugged it, plugged in a differerent DVD drive, and burned a disc, all with the machine up and running.
I had a need to unplug a HDD which I wanted to erase completely. After pulling the disk out of the bay, /dev/sdXY still showed up. Writing1
todelete
made it disappear and I could hear the disk spinning down. Justhdparm -Y
was not enough because the/dev/
entries would still exist. Thanks!
– Lekensteyn
Aug 9 '12 at 9:25
12
I strongly advice to always issue theecho 1 > /sys/block/(whatever)/device/delete
command because the drive will park the heads, fully stop the disk and disable power on the bus. If a non-parked head touches a spinning plate the drive can be permanently destroyed.
– drumfire
Feb 12 '14 at 21:21
2
Also - if smartd happens to be running, it's a good idea to issue a SIGHUP to the process so that it reloads the drive info. Especially important if you're replacing drives because smartd will reload the info for that drive and all others.
– drumfire
Feb 12 '14 at 21:23
1
Just one note worth mentioning,echo 1 > /sys/block/(whatever)/device/delete
will not work undersudo
, the "Permission denied" error will be thrown. You'll need to become a real root, so use plain oldsu
instead.
– TranslucentCloud
Mar 29 '15 at 10:59
10
@TranslucentCloud You can pipe it throughsudo tee
to emulate a redirect as root:echo 1 | sudo tee /sys/block/(whatever)/device/delete
– Oli
Apr 15 '15 at 20:54
|
show 1 more comment
- Unmount any filesystems on the disk. (
umount ...
) - Deactivate any LVM groups. (
vgchange -an
) - Make sure nothing is using the disk for anything.
- Once you've done that, it should be safe to unplug.
If you want to be extra cautious, do echo 1 > /sys/block/(whatever)/device/delete
first. That'll unregister the device from the kernel, so you know nothing's using it when you unplug it. When I do that with a drive in an eSATA enclosure, I can hear the drive's heads park themselves, so the kernel apparently tells the drive to prepare for power-down.
If you're using an AHCI controller, it should cope with devices being unplugged. If you're using some other sort of SATA controller, the driver might be confused by hotplugging.
In my experience, SATA hotplugging (with AHCI) works pretty well in Linux. I've unplugged an optical drive, plugged in a hard drive, scanned it for errors, made a filesystem and copied data to it, unmounted and unplugged it, plugged in a differerent DVD drive, and burned a disc, all with the machine up and running.
- Unmount any filesystems on the disk. (
umount ...
) - Deactivate any LVM groups. (
vgchange -an
) - Make sure nothing is using the disk for anything.
- Once you've done that, it should be safe to unplug.
If you want to be extra cautious, do echo 1 > /sys/block/(whatever)/device/delete
first. That'll unregister the device from the kernel, so you know nothing's using it when you unplug it. When I do that with a drive in an eSATA enclosure, I can hear the drive's heads park themselves, so the kernel apparently tells the drive to prepare for power-down.
If you're using an AHCI controller, it should cope with devices being unplugged. If you're using some other sort of SATA controller, the driver might be confused by hotplugging.
In my experience, SATA hotplugging (with AHCI) works pretty well in Linux. I've unplugged an optical drive, plugged in a hard drive, scanned it for errors, made a filesystem and copied data to it, unmounted and unplugged it, plugged in a differerent DVD drive, and burned a disc, all with the machine up and running.
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I had a need to unplug a HDD which I wanted to erase completely. After pulling the disk out of the bay, /dev/sdXY still showed up. Writing1
todelete
made it disappear and I could hear the disk spinning down. Justhdparm -Y
was not enough because the/dev/
entries would still exist. Thanks!
– Lekensteyn
Aug 9 '12 at 9:25
12
I strongly advice to always issue theecho 1 > /sys/block/(whatever)/device/delete
command because the drive will park the heads, fully stop the disk and disable power on the bus. If a non-parked head touches a spinning plate the drive can be permanently destroyed.
– drumfire
Feb 12 '14 at 21:21
2
Also - if smartd happens to be running, it's a good idea to issue a SIGHUP to the process so that it reloads the drive info. Especially important if you're replacing drives because smartd will reload the info for that drive and all others.
– drumfire
Feb 12 '14 at 21:23
1
Just one note worth mentioning,echo 1 > /sys/block/(whatever)/device/delete
will not work undersudo
, the "Permission denied" error will be thrown. You'll need to become a real root, so use plain oldsu
instead.
– TranslucentCloud
Mar 29 '15 at 10:59
10
@TranslucentCloud You can pipe it throughsudo tee
to emulate a redirect as root:echo 1 | sudo tee /sys/block/(whatever)/device/delete
– Oli
Apr 15 '15 at 20:54
|
show 1 more comment
I had a need to unplug a HDD which I wanted to erase completely. After pulling the disk out of the bay, /dev/sdXY still showed up. Writing1
todelete
made it disappear and I could hear the disk spinning down. Justhdparm -Y
was not enough because the/dev/
entries would still exist. Thanks!
– Lekensteyn
Aug 9 '12 at 9:25
12
I strongly advice to always issue theecho 1 > /sys/block/(whatever)/device/delete
command because the drive will park the heads, fully stop the disk and disable power on the bus. If a non-parked head touches a spinning plate the drive can be permanently destroyed.
– drumfire
Feb 12 '14 at 21:21
2
Also - if smartd happens to be running, it's a good idea to issue a SIGHUP to the process so that it reloads the drive info. Especially important if you're replacing drives because smartd will reload the info for that drive and all others.
– drumfire
Feb 12 '14 at 21:23
1
Just one note worth mentioning,echo 1 > /sys/block/(whatever)/device/delete
will not work undersudo
, the "Permission denied" error will be thrown. You'll need to become a real root, so use plain oldsu
instead.
– TranslucentCloud
Mar 29 '15 at 10:59
10
@TranslucentCloud You can pipe it throughsudo tee
to emulate a redirect as root:echo 1 | sudo tee /sys/block/(whatever)/device/delete
– Oli
Apr 15 '15 at 20:54
I had a need to unplug a HDD which I wanted to erase completely. After pulling the disk out of the bay, /dev/sdXY still showed up. Writing
1
to delete
made it disappear and I could hear the disk spinning down. Just hdparm -Y
was not enough because the /dev/
entries would still exist. Thanks!– Lekensteyn
Aug 9 '12 at 9:25
I had a need to unplug a HDD which I wanted to erase completely. After pulling the disk out of the bay, /dev/sdXY still showed up. Writing
1
to delete
made it disappear and I could hear the disk spinning down. Just hdparm -Y
was not enough because the /dev/
entries would still exist. Thanks!– Lekensteyn
Aug 9 '12 at 9:25
12
12
I strongly advice to always issue the
echo 1 > /sys/block/(whatever)/device/delete
command because the drive will park the heads, fully stop the disk and disable power on the bus. If a non-parked head touches a spinning plate the drive can be permanently destroyed.– drumfire
Feb 12 '14 at 21:21
I strongly advice to always issue the
echo 1 > /sys/block/(whatever)/device/delete
command because the drive will park the heads, fully stop the disk and disable power on the bus. If a non-parked head touches a spinning plate the drive can be permanently destroyed.– drumfire
Feb 12 '14 at 21:21
2
2
Also - if smartd happens to be running, it's a good idea to issue a SIGHUP to the process so that it reloads the drive info. Especially important if you're replacing drives because smartd will reload the info for that drive and all others.
– drumfire
Feb 12 '14 at 21:23
Also - if smartd happens to be running, it's a good idea to issue a SIGHUP to the process so that it reloads the drive info. Especially important if you're replacing drives because smartd will reload the info for that drive and all others.
– drumfire
Feb 12 '14 at 21:23
1
1
Just one note worth mentioning,
echo 1 > /sys/block/(whatever)/device/delete
will not work under sudo
, the "Permission denied" error will be thrown. You'll need to become a real root, so use plain old su
instead.– TranslucentCloud
Mar 29 '15 at 10:59
Just one note worth mentioning,
echo 1 > /sys/block/(whatever)/device/delete
will not work under sudo
, the "Permission denied" error will be thrown. You'll need to become a real root, so use plain old su
instead.– TranslucentCloud
Mar 29 '15 at 10:59
10
10
@TranslucentCloud You can pipe it through
sudo tee
to emulate a redirect as root: echo 1 | sudo tee /sys/block/(whatever)/device/delete
– Oli
Apr 15 '15 at 20:54
@TranslucentCloud You can pipe it through
sudo tee
to emulate a redirect as root: echo 1 | sudo tee /sys/block/(whatever)/device/delete
– Oli
Apr 15 '15 at 20:54
|
show 1 more comment
Those two sections are for different things.
The first is for unplugging. The second is for plugging.
For unplugging, the OS will sync the data during the unmount operation. Thus, if the disk is unmounted (assuming you in fact do have full hardware support) you can power off the disk then unplug it without risk of data loss or corruption.
For plugging, the device should be automatically recognized. If not, you can execute that command to trigger a bus scan. Once the device is recognized you can mount it.
And let me caveat this by saying I've only ever done this sort of thing with USB drives.
Thanks for your answer, but I am still not convinced what the correct action would be. SSDs have a "Unsafe Shutdown Count" S.M.A.R.T. field, just unplugging it without doing anything does not sound safe to me.
– Lekensteyn
Jul 18 '12 at 21:58
3
If it helps, I routinely hot-plug and hot-unplug SATA hard drives as part of my job, with no more than making sure it's unmounted first, and I've never run into a problem. That's anecdotal, so don't take it as gospel, but it's at least some evidence that it's likely safe. In any case, I'd consider it a kernel bug if the OS doesn't ensure that the data is fully written at the end of an unmount operation, especially in a hotplug world.
– Jander
Jul 19 '12 at 0:24
1
@Lekensteyn, thehdparm -Y
will take care of that. That is basically what the system does every time you suspend or shutdown.
– psusi
Jul 19 '12 at 13:16
add a comment |
Those two sections are for different things.
The first is for unplugging. The second is for plugging.
For unplugging, the OS will sync the data during the unmount operation. Thus, if the disk is unmounted (assuming you in fact do have full hardware support) you can power off the disk then unplug it without risk of data loss or corruption.
For plugging, the device should be automatically recognized. If not, you can execute that command to trigger a bus scan. Once the device is recognized you can mount it.
And let me caveat this by saying I've only ever done this sort of thing with USB drives.
Thanks for your answer, but I am still not convinced what the correct action would be. SSDs have a "Unsafe Shutdown Count" S.M.A.R.T. field, just unplugging it without doing anything does not sound safe to me.
– Lekensteyn
Jul 18 '12 at 21:58
3
If it helps, I routinely hot-plug and hot-unplug SATA hard drives as part of my job, with no more than making sure it's unmounted first, and I've never run into a problem. That's anecdotal, so don't take it as gospel, but it's at least some evidence that it's likely safe. In any case, I'd consider it a kernel bug if the OS doesn't ensure that the data is fully written at the end of an unmount operation, especially in a hotplug world.
– Jander
Jul 19 '12 at 0:24
1
@Lekensteyn, thehdparm -Y
will take care of that. That is basically what the system does every time you suspend or shutdown.
– psusi
Jul 19 '12 at 13:16
add a comment |
Those two sections are for different things.
The first is for unplugging. The second is for plugging.
For unplugging, the OS will sync the data during the unmount operation. Thus, if the disk is unmounted (assuming you in fact do have full hardware support) you can power off the disk then unplug it without risk of data loss or corruption.
For plugging, the device should be automatically recognized. If not, you can execute that command to trigger a bus scan. Once the device is recognized you can mount it.
And let me caveat this by saying I've only ever done this sort of thing with USB drives.
Those two sections are for different things.
The first is for unplugging. The second is for plugging.
For unplugging, the OS will sync the data during the unmount operation. Thus, if the disk is unmounted (assuming you in fact do have full hardware support) you can power off the disk then unplug it without risk of data loss or corruption.
For plugging, the device should be automatically recognized. If not, you can execute that command to trigger a bus scan. Once the device is recognized you can mount it.
And let me caveat this by saying I've only ever done this sort of thing with USB drives.
answered Jul 18 '12 at 21:37
bahamatbahamat
24.5k15090
24.5k15090
Thanks for your answer, but I am still not convinced what the correct action would be. SSDs have a "Unsafe Shutdown Count" S.M.A.R.T. field, just unplugging it without doing anything does not sound safe to me.
– Lekensteyn
Jul 18 '12 at 21:58
3
If it helps, I routinely hot-plug and hot-unplug SATA hard drives as part of my job, with no more than making sure it's unmounted first, and I've never run into a problem. That's anecdotal, so don't take it as gospel, but it's at least some evidence that it's likely safe. In any case, I'd consider it a kernel bug if the OS doesn't ensure that the data is fully written at the end of an unmount operation, especially in a hotplug world.
– Jander
Jul 19 '12 at 0:24
1
@Lekensteyn, thehdparm -Y
will take care of that. That is basically what the system does every time you suspend or shutdown.
– psusi
Jul 19 '12 at 13:16
add a comment |
Thanks for your answer, but I am still not convinced what the correct action would be. SSDs have a "Unsafe Shutdown Count" S.M.A.R.T. field, just unplugging it without doing anything does not sound safe to me.
– Lekensteyn
Jul 18 '12 at 21:58
3
If it helps, I routinely hot-plug and hot-unplug SATA hard drives as part of my job, with no more than making sure it's unmounted first, and I've never run into a problem. That's anecdotal, so don't take it as gospel, but it's at least some evidence that it's likely safe. In any case, I'd consider it a kernel bug if the OS doesn't ensure that the data is fully written at the end of an unmount operation, especially in a hotplug world.
– Jander
Jul 19 '12 at 0:24
1
@Lekensteyn, thehdparm -Y
will take care of that. That is basically what the system does every time you suspend or shutdown.
– psusi
Jul 19 '12 at 13:16
Thanks for your answer, but I am still not convinced what the correct action would be. SSDs have a "Unsafe Shutdown Count" S.M.A.R.T. field, just unplugging it without doing anything does not sound safe to me.
– Lekensteyn
Jul 18 '12 at 21:58
Thanks for your answer, but I am still not convinced what the correct action would be. SSDs have a "Unsafe Shutdown Count" S.M.A.R.T. field, just unplugging it without doing anything does not sound safe to me.
– Lekensteyn
Jul 18 '12 at 21:58
3
3
If it helps, I routinely hot-plug and hot-unplug SATA hard drives as part of my job, with no more than making sure it's unmounted first, and I've never run into a problem. That's anecdotal, so don't take it as gospel, but it's at least some evidence that it's likely safe. In any case, I'd consider it a kernel bug if the OS doesn't ensure that the data is fully written at the end of an unmount operation, especially in a hotplug world.
– Jander
Jul 19 '12 at 0:24
If it helps, I routinely hot-plug and hot-unplug SATA hard drives as part of my job, with no more than making sure it's unmounted first, and I've never run into a problem. That's anecdotal, so don't take it as gospel, but it's at least some evidence that it's likely safe. In any case, I'd consider it a kernel bug if the OS doesn't ensure that the data is fully written at the end of an unmount operation, especially in a hotplug world.
– Jander
Jul 19 '12 at 0:24
1
1
@Lekensteyn, the
hdparm -Y
will take care of that. That is basically what the system does every time you suspend or shutdown.– psusi
Jul 19 '12 at 13:16
@Lekensteyn, the
hdparm -Y
will take care of that. That is basically what the system does every time you suspend or shutdown.– psusi
Jul 19 '12 at 13:16
add a comment |
what about eject /dev/sdX
? On my setup, this commands umounts, syncs and powers down the drive.
4
I tried this with a disk connected over eSATA but the command failed with "not hotpluggable" or something.
– Lekensteyn
Aug 30 '13 at 9:29
1
Afaik eject plugs out the pluggable disk and not the device. It depends on that the block device driver supports theioctl()
operation used by theeject
tool. Esata hard disk drives don't support it, but optical devices, floppies and probably flash drives, yes.
– peterh
Jul 31 '15 at 4:11
add a comment |
what about eject /dev/sdX
? On my setup, this commands umounts, syncs and powers down the drive.
4
I tried this with a disk connected over eSATA but the command failed with "not hotpluggable" or something.
– Lekensteyn
Aug 30 '13 at 9:29
1
Afaik eject plugs out the pluggable disk and not the device. It depends on that the block device driver supports theioctl()
operation used by theeject
tool. Esata hard disk drives don't support it, but optical devices, floppies and probably flash drives, yes.
– peterh
Jul 31 '15 at 4:11
add a comment |
what about eject /dev/sdX
? On my setup, this commands umounts, syncs and powers down the drive.
what about eject /dev/sdX
? On my setup, this commands umounts, syncs and powers down the drive.
edited Aug 27 '13 at 22:19
Anthon
60.8k17103166
60.8k17103166
answered Aug 27 '13 at 21:58
bitvitezbitvitez
5111
5111
4
I tried this with a disk connected over eSATA but the command failed with "not hotpluggable" or something.
– Lekensteyn
Aug 30 '13 at 9:29
1
Afaik eject plugs out the pluggable disk and not the device. It depends on that the block device driver supports theioctl()
operation used by theeject
tool. Esata hard disk drives don't support it, but optical devices, floppies and probably flash drives, yes.
– peterh
Jul 31 '15 at 4:11
add a comment |
4
I tried this with a disk connected over eSATA but the command failed with "not hotpluggable" or something.
– Lekensteyn
Aug 30 '13 at 9:29
1
Afaik eject plugs out the pluggable disk and not the device. It depends on that the block device driver supports theioctl()
operation used by theeject
tool. Esata hard disk drives don't support it, but optical devices, floppies and probably flash drives, yes.
– peterh
Jul 31 '15 at 4:11
4
4
I tried this with a disk connected over eSATA but the command failed with "not hotpluggable" or something.
– Lekensteyn
Aug 30 '13 at 9:29
I tried this with a disk connected over eSATA but the command failed with "not hotpluggable" or something.
– Lekensteyn
Aug 30 '13 at 9:29
1
1
Afaik eject plugs out the pluggable disk and not the device. It depends on that the block device driver supports the
ioctl()
operation used by the eject
tool. Esata hard disk drives don't support it, but optical devices, floppies and probably flash drives, yes.– peterh
Jul 31 '15 at 4:11
Afaik eject plugs out the pluggable disk and not the device. It depends on that the block device driver supports the
ioctl()
operation used by the eject
tool. Esata hard disk drives don't support it, but optical devices, floppies and probably flash drives, yes.– peterh
Jul 31 '15 at 4:11
add a comment |
I have a pair of scripts that build upon the answer by Wyzard. The first, scsi-drop
, is to safely detach a single disk:
#!/bin/sh
if test -h "$1"
then
disk=$(chase "$1")
else
disk="$1"
fi
if test -b "$disk"
then
echo 1 >/sys/block/$(basename "$disk")/device/delete
else
echo "$0: not a block device: $1" >&2
exit 1
fi
Its main benefit is that you can pass it a symlink, such as found in /dev/disk/by-id/
and it will resolve that to the real device. It does require chase
to be installed; you might be able to get the same result using readlink -e
.
The second script, scsi-rescan
, is used after hotplugging a new device:
#!/bin/bash
exec tee /sys/class/scsi_host/host*/scan <<<'- - -' >/dev/null
This makes all adapters re-scan for devices. It was the only way I managed to get the new capacity and partition table to be read.
add a comment |
I have a pair of scripts that build upon the answer by Wyzard. The first, scsi-drop
, is to safely detach a single disk:
#!/bin/sh
if test -h "$1"
then
disk=$(chase "$1")
else
disk="$1"
fi
if test -b "$disk"
then
echo 1 >/sys/block/$(basename "$disk")/device/delete
else
echo "$0: not a block device: $1" >&2
exit 1
fi
Its main benefit is that you can pass it a symlink, such as found in /dev/disk/by-id/
and it will resolve that to the real device. It does require chase
to be installed; you might be able to get the same result using readlink -e
.
The second script, scsi-rescan
, is used after hotplugging a new device:
#!/bin/bash
exec tee /sys/class/scsi_host/host*/scan <<<'- - -' >/dev/null
This makes all adapters re-scan for devices. It was the only way I managed to get the new capacity and partition table to be read.
add a comment |
I have a pair of scripts that build upon the answer by Wyzard. The first, scsi-drop
, is to safely detach a single disk:
#!/bin/sh
if test -h "$1"
then
disk=$(chase "$1")
else
disk="$1"
fi
if test -b "$disk"
then
echo 1 >/sys/block/$(basename "$disk")/device/delete
else
echo "$0: not a block device: $1" >&2
exit 1
fi
Its main benefit is that you can pass it a symlink, such as found in /dev/disk/by-id/
and it will resolve that to the real device. It does require chase
to be installed; you might be able to get the same result using readlink -e
.
The second script, scsi-rescan
, is used after hotplugging a new device:
#!/bin/bash
exec tee /sys/class/scsi_host/host*/scan <<<'- - -' >/dev/null
This makes all adapters re-scan for devices. It was the only way I managed to get the new capacity and partition table to be read.
I have a pair of scripts that build upon the answer by Wyzard. The first, scsi-drop
, is to safely detach a single disk:
#!/bin/sh
if test -h "$1"
then
disk=$(chase "$1")
else
disk="$1"
fi
if test -b "$disk"
then
echo 1 >/sys/block/$(basename "$disk")/device/delete
else
echo "$0: not a block device: $1" >&2
exit 1
fi
Its main benefit is that you can pass it a symlink, such as found in /dev/disk/by-id/
and it will resolve that to the real device. It does require chase
to be installed; you might be able to get the same result using readlink -e
.
The second script, scsi-rescan
, is used after hotplugging a new device:
#!/bin/bash
exec tee /sys/class/scsi_host/host*/scan <<<'- - -' >/dev/null
This makes all adapters re-scan for devices. It was the only way I managed to get the new capacity and partition table to be read.
answered Apr 21 '16 at 11:01
Toby SpeightToby Speight
5,31111031
5,31111031
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actually sata drives automatically parks the head when power is lost from what i know so pulling the drive while still spinning should not result in issues however spinning disks are prone to dings while spinning. you can hear this when you have flaky power or solar flares :P
the most damage is usually from non flushed cache and uncommitted writes in buffers etc ... this is why you MUST unmount a drive before removing it . the scsi command is just good measures to the same end.
New contributor
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actually sata drives automatically parks the head when power is lost from what i know so pulling the drive while still spinning should not result in issues however spinning disks are prone to dings while spinning. you can hear this when you have flaky power or solar flares :P
the most damage is usually from non flushed cache and uncommitted writes in buffers etc ... this is why you MUST unmount a drive before removing it . the scsi command is just good measures to the same end.
New contributor
add a comment |
actually sata drives automatically parks the head when power is lost from what i know so pulling the drive while still spinning should not result in issues however spinning disks are prone to dings while spinning. you can hear this when you have flaky power or solar flares :P
the most damage is usually from non flushed cache and uncommitted writes in buffers etc ... this is why you MUST unmount a drive before removing it . the scsi command is just good measures to the same end.
New contributor
actually sata drives automatically parks the head when power is lost from what i know so pulling the drive while still spinning should not result in issues however spinning disks are prone to dings while spinning. you can hear this when you have flaky power or solar flares :P
the most damage is usually from non flushed cache and uncommitted writes in buffers etc ... this is why you MUST unmount a drive before removing it . the scsi command is just good measures to the same end.
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spongebobspongebob
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