Continuous functions of three variables as superpositions of two variable functions
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Could we always locally represent a continuous function $F(x,y,z)$ in the form of $gleft(f(x,y),zright)$ for suitable continuous functions $f$, $g$ of two variables? I am aware of Vladimir Arnold's work on this problem, but it seems that in that context $F(x,y,z)$ is written as a sum of several expressions of this form. Can one reduce it to just a single superposition $gleft(f(x,y),zright)$; or does anyone know a counter example?
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Could we always locally represent a continuous function $F(x,y,z)$ in the form of $gleft(f(x,y),zright)$ for suitable continuous functions $f$, $g$ of two variables? I am aware of Vladimir Arnold's work on this problem, but it seems that in that context $F(x,y,z)$ is written as a sum of several expressions of this form. Can one reduce it to just a single superposition $gleft(f(x,y),zright)$; or does anyone know a counter example?
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Could we always locally represent a continuous function $F(x,y,z)$ in the form of $gleft(f(x,y),zright)$ for suitable continuous functions $f$, $g$ of two variables? I am aware of Vladimir Arnold's work on this problem, but it seems that in that context $F(x,y,z)$ is written as a sum of several expressions of this form. Can one reduce it to just a single superposition $gleft(f(x,y),zright)$; or does anyone know a counter example?
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Could we always locally represent a continuous function $F(x,y,z)$ in the form of $gleft(f(x,y),zright)$ for suitable continuous functions $f$, $g$ of two variables? I am aware of Vladimir Arnold's work on this problem, but it seems that in that context $F(x,y,z)$ is written as a sum of several expressions of this form. Can one reduce it to just a single superposition $gleft(f(x,y),zright)$; or does anyone know a counter example?
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Example. The function $F(x,y,z)=x(1-z)+yz$ cannot be represented as $F(x,y,z)=g(f(x,y),z)$.
Proof. Suppose to the contrary that we have such a representation. Let $g_1(t)=g(t,0)$. Then $g_1(f(x,y))=g(f(x,y),0)=F(x,y,0)=x$. That implies that for every $y$, $g_1$ is the inverse function of $xmapsto f(x,y)$ so
$f(x,y)=g_1^{-1}(x)$.
Let $g_2(t)=g(t,1)$. Then $g_2(f(x,y))=g(f(x,y),1)=F(x,y,1)=y$. That implies that for every $x$, $g_2$ is the inverse function of $ymapsto f(x,y)$ so $f(x,y)=g_2^{-1}(y)$.
Let $c=f(0,0)$. Then
$$
f(x,y)=g_1^{-1}(x)=f(x,0)=g_2^{-1}(0)=f(0,0)=c.
$$
Therefore
$$
x(1-z)+yz=F(x,y,z)=g(f(x,y),z)=g(c,z)
$$
which is a contradiction, because the function on the left hand side depends on $x$ and $y$, while the function on the right hand side does not. $Box$
Edit: I modified my proof using a suggestion of user44191.
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Thanks Piotr! But how did you deduce that $f$ has derivative? Does your example work in the continuous setting as well?
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– KhashF
3 hours ago
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Partial derivatives aren't necessary for this proof; if you let $c = f(0, 0)$, you get that $f(x, y) = g_1^{-1}(x) = f(x, 0) = g_2^{-1}(0) = f(0, 0) = c$.
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– user44191
3 hours ago
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@user44191 Thank you. I modified my answer.
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– Piotr Hajlasz
3 hours ago
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@KhashF I modified my answer.
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– Piotr Hajlasz
3 hours ago
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I’m sorry but where you used continuity of $f$ and $g$? Because without it answer to question in OP is that every function can be represented in such a manner (via bijection between $mathbb{R}$ and $mathbb{R}^2$). And also what is $g_1^{-1}(x)$ really? I see no reasons for $g_1$ to be injective.
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Example. The function $F(x,y,z)=x(1-z)+yz$ cannot be represented as $F(x,y,z)=g(f(x,y),z)$.
Proof. Suppose to the contrary that we have such a representation. Let $g_1(t)=g(t,0)$. Then $g_1(f(x,y))=g(f(x,y),0)=F(x,y,0)=x$. That implies that for every $y$, $g_1$ is the inverse function of $xmapsto f(x,y)$ so
$f(x,y)=g_1^{-1}(x)$.
Let $g_2(t)=g(t,1)$. Then $g_2(f(x,y))=g(f(x,y),1)=F(x,y,1)=y$. That implies that for every $x$, $g_2$ is the inverse function of $ymapsto f(x,y)$ so $f(x,y)=g_2^{-1}(y)$.
Let $c=f(0,0)$. Then
$$
f(x,y)=g_1^{-1}(x)=f(x,0)=g_2^{-1}(0)=f(0,0)=c.
$$
Therefore
$$
x(1-z)+yz=F(x,y,z)=g(f(x,y),z)=g(c,z)
$$
which is a contradiction, because the function on the left hand side depends on $x$ and $y$, while the function on the right hand side does not. $Box$
Edit: I modified my proof using a suggestion of user44191.
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Thanks Piotr! But how did you deduce that $f$ has derivative? Does your example work in the continuous setting as well?
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– KhashF
3 hours ago
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Partial derivatives aren't necessary for this proof; if you let $c = f(0, 0)$, you get that $f(x, y) = g_1^{-1}(x) = f(x, 0) = g_2^{-1}(0) = f(0, 0) = c$.
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– user44191
3 hours ago
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@user44191 Thank you. I modified my answer.
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– Piotr Hajlasz
3 hours ago
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@KhashF I modified my answer.
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– Piotr Hajlasz
3 hours ago
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I’m sorry but where you used continuity of $f$ and $g$? Because without it answer to question in OP is that every function can be represented in such a manner (via bijection between $mathbb{R}$ and $mathbb{R}^2$). And also what is $g_1^{-1}(x)$ really? I see no reasons for $g_1$ to be injective.
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– Aleksei Kulikov
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Example. The function $F(x,y,z)=x(1-z)+yz$ cannot be represented as $F(x,y,z)=g(f(x,y),z)$.
Proof. Suppose to the contrary that we have such a representation. Let $g_1(t)=g(t,0)$. Then $g_1(f(x,y))=g(f(x,y),0)=F(x,y,0)=x$. That implies that for every $y$, $g_1$ is the inverse function of $xmapsto f(x,y)$ so
$f(x,y)=g_1^{-1}(x)$.
Let $g_2(t)=g(t,1)$. Then $g_2(f(x,y))=g(f(x,y),1)=F(x,y,1)=y$. That implies that for every $x$, $g_2$ is the inverse function of $ymapsto f(x,y)$ so $f(x,y)=g_2^{-1}(y)$.
Let $c=f(0,0)$. Then
$$
f(x,y)=g_1^{-1}(x)=f(x,0)=g_2^{-1}(0)=f(0,0)=c.
$$
Therefore
$$
x(1-z)+yz=F(x,y,z)=g(f(x,y),z)=g(c,z)
$$
which is a contradiction, because the function on the left hand side depends on $x$ and $y$, while the function on the right hand side does not. $Box$
Edit: I modified my proof using a suggestion of user44191.
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Thanks Piotr! But how did you deduce that $f$ has derivative? Does your example work in the continuous setting as well?
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– KhashF
3 hours ago
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Partial derivatives aren't necessary for this proof; if you let $c = f(0, 0)$, you get that $f(x, y) = g_1^{-1}(x) = f(x, 0) = g_2^{-1}(0) = f(0, 0) = c$.
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– user44191
3 hours ago
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@user44191 Thank you. I modified my answer.
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– Piotr Hajlasz
3 hours ago
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@KhashF I modified my answer.
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– Piotr Hajlasz
3 hours ago
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I’m sorry but where you used continuity of $f$ and $g$? Because without it answer to question in OP is that every function can be represented in such a manner (via bijection between $mathbb{R}$ and $mathbb{R}^2$). And also what is $g_1^{-1}(x)$ really? I see no reasons for $g_1$ to be injective.
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– Aleksei Kulikov
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Example. The function $F(x,y,z)=x(1-z)+yz$ cannot be represented as $F(x,y,z)=g(f(x,y),z)$.
Proof. Suppose to the contrary that we have such a representation. Let $g_1(t)=g(t,0)$. Then $g_1(f(x,y))=g(f(x,y),0)=F(x,y,0)=x$. That implies that for every $y$, $g_1$ is the inverse function of $xmapsto f(x,y)$ so
$f(x,y)=g_1^{-1}(x)$.
Let $g_2(t)=g(t,1)$. Then $g_2(f(x,y))=g(f(x,y),1)=F(x,y,1)=y$. That implies that for every $x$, $g_2$ is the inverse function of $ymapsto f(x,y)$ so $f(x,y)=g_2^{-1}(y)$.
Let $c=f(0,0)$. Then
$$
f(x,y)=g_1^{-1}(x)=f(x,0)=g_2^{-1}(0)=f(0,0)=c.
$$
Therefore
$$
x(1-z)+yz=F(x,y,z)=g(f(x,y),z)=g(c,z)
$$
which is a contradiction, because the function on the left hand side depends on $x$ and $y$, while the function on the right hand side does not. $Box$
Edit: I modified my proof using a suggestion of user44191.
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Example. The function $F(x,y,z)=x(1-z)+yz$ cannot be represented as $F(x,y,z)=g(f(x,y),z)$.
Proof. Suppose to the contrary that we have such a representation. Let $g_1(t)=g(t,0)$. Then $g_1(f(x,y))=g(f(x,y),0)=F(x,y,0)=x$. That implies that for every $y$, $g_1$ is the inverse function of $xmapsto f(x,y)$ so
$f(x,y)=g_1^{-1}(x)$.
Let $g_2(t)=g(t,1)$. Then $g_2(f(x,y))=g(f(x,y),1)=F(x,y,1)=y$. That implies that for every $x$, $g_2$ is the inverse function of $ymapsto f(x,y)$ so $f(x,y)=g_2^{-1}(y)$.
Let $c=f(0,0)$. Then
$$
f(x,y)=g_1^{-1}(x)=f(x,0)=g_2^{-1}(0)=f(0,0)=c.
$$
Therefore
$$
x(1-z)+yz=F(x,y,z)=g(f(x,y),z)=g(c,z)
$$
which is a contradiction, because the function on the left hand side depends on $x$ and $y$, while the function on the right hand side does not. $Box$
Edit: I modified my proof using a suggestion of user44191.
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Piotr HajlaszPiotr Hajlasz
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Thanks Piotr! But how did you deduce that $f$ has derivative? Does your example work in the continuous setting as well?
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– KhashF
3 hours ago
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Partial derivatives aren't necessary for this proof; if you let $c = f(0, 0)$, you get that $f(x, y) = g_1^{-1}(x) = f(x, 0) = g_2^{-1}(0) = f(0, 0) = c$.
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– user44191
3 hours ago
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@user44191 Thank you. I modified my answer.
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– Piotr Hajlasz
3 hours ago
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@KhashF I modified my answer.
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– Piotr Hajlasz
3 hours ago
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I’m sorry but where you used continuity of $f$ and $g$? Because without it answer to question in OP is that every function can be represented in such a manner (via bijection between $mathbb{R}$ and $mathbb{R}^2$). And also what is $g_1^{-1}(x)$ really? I see no reasons for $g_1$ to be injective.
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– Aleksei Kulikov
2 hours ago
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Thanks Piotr! But how did you deduce that $f$ has derivative? Does your example work in the continuous setting as well?
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– KhashF
3 hours ago
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Partial derivatives aren't necessary for this proof; if you let $c = f(0, 0)$, you get that $f(x, y) = g_1^{-1}(x) = f(x, 0) = g_2^{-1}(0) = f(0, 0) = c$.
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– user44191
3 hours ago
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@user44191 Thank you. I modified my answer.
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– Piotr Hajlasz
3 hours ago
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@KhashF I modified my answer.
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– Piotr Hajlasz
3 hours ago
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I’m sorry but where you used continuity of $f$ and $g$? Because without it answer to question in OP is that every function can be represented in such a manner (via bijection between $mathbb{R}$ and $mathbb{R}^2$). And also what is $g_1^{-1}(x)$ really? I see no reasons for $g_1$ to be injective.
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– Aleksei Kulikov
2 hours ago
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Thanks Piotr! But how did you deduce that $f$ has derivative? Does your example work in the continuous setting as well?
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– KhashF
3 hours ago
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Thanks Piotr! But how did you deduce that $f$ has derivative? Does your example work in the continuous setting as well?
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– KhashF
3 hours ago
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Partial derivatives aren't necessary for this proof; if you let $c = f(0, 0)$, you get that $f(x, y) = g_1^{-1}(x) = f(x, 0) = g_2^{-1}(0) = f(0, 0) = c$.
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– user44191
3 hours ago
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Partial derivatives aren't necessary for this proof; if you let $c = f(0, 0)$, you get that $f(x, y) = g_1^{-1}(x) = f(x, 0) = g_2^{-1}(0) = f(0, 0) = c$.
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– user44191
3 hours ago
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@user44191 Thank you. I modified my answer.
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– Piotr Hajlasz
3 hours ago
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@user44191 Thank you. I modified my answer.
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– Piotr Hajlasz
3 hours ago
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@KhashF I modified my answer.
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– Piotr Hajlasz
3 hours ago
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@KhashF I modified my answer.
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– Piotr Hajlasz
3 hours ago
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I’m sorry but where you used continuity of $f$ and $g$? Because without it answer to question in OP is that every function can be represented in such a manner (via bijection between $mathbb{R}$ and $mathbb{R}^2$). And also what is $g_1^{-1}(x)$ really? I see no reasons for $g_1$ to be injective.
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– Aleksei Kulikov
2 hours ago
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I’m sorry but where you used continuity of $f$ and $g$? Because without it answer to question in OP is that every function can be represented in such a manner (via bijection between $mathbb{R}$ and $mathbb{R}^2$). And also what is $g_1^{-1}(x)$ really? I see no reasons for $g_1$ to be injective.
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– Aleksei Kulikov
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