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The question is:




Find the number of ways that 5 boys and 6 girls can stand in a row if no boy stands next to another boy




In which the correct model would be:
$$square g square g square g square g square g square gsquare$$
Therefore:
$$6!cdot 7P5=1space 814space 400$$
However, I noticed that if you take one of the girls away (let's label her as $^a$), we have:
$$^asquare^ag^asquare^ag^asquare^ag^asquare^ag^asquare^ag^asquare^a$$
We see that no matter where girl$^a$ stands, the boys will still not stand next to each others:
$$5!cdot6P5cdot12=1space036space800$$
Update

Also, if we are to swap it around:
$$square b square b square b square b square b square$$
We now have:
$$5!cdot6!=86space 400 $$
What is wrong with the last two logic?

Thank you.






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    The question is:




    Find the number of ways that 5 boys and 6 girls can stand in a row if no boy stands next to another boy




    In which the correct model would be:
    $$square g square g square g square g square g square gsquare$$
    Therefore:
    $$6!cdot 7P5=1space 814space 400$$
    However, I noticed that if you take one of the girls away (let's label her as $^a$), we have:
    $$^asquare^ag^asquare^ag^asquare^ag^asquare^ag^asquare^ag^asquare^a$$
    We see that no matter where girl$^a$ stands, the boys will still not stand next to each others:
    $$5!cdot6P5cdot12=1space036space800$$
    Update

    Also, if we are to swap it around:
    $$square b square b square b square b square b square$$
    We now have:
    $$5!cdot6!=86space 400 $$
    What is wrong with the last two logic?

    Thank you.






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      The question is:




      Find the number of ways that 5 boys and 6 girls can stand in a row if no boy stands next to another boy




      In which the correct model would be:
      $$square g square g square g square g square g square gsquare$$
      Therefore:
      $$6!cdot 7P5=1space 814space 400$$
      However, I noticed that if you take one of the girls away (let's label her as $^a$), we have:
      $$^asquare^ag^asquare^ag^asquare^ag^asquare^ag^asquare^ag^asquare^a$$
      We see that no matter where girl$^a$ stands, the boys will still not stand next to each others:
      $$5!cdot6P5cdot12=1space036space800$$
      Update

      Also, if we are to swap it around:
      $$square b square b square b square b square b square$$
      We now have:
      $$5!cdot6!=86space 400 $$
      What is wrong with the last two logic?

      Thank you.






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      The question is:




      Find the number of ways that 5 boys and 6 girls can stand in a row if no boy stands next to another boy




      In which the correct model would be:
      $$square g square g square g square g square g square gsquare$$
      Therefore:
      $$6!cdot 7P5=1space 814space 400$$
      However, I noticed that if you take one of the girls away (let's label her as $^a$), we have:
      $$^asquare^ag^asquare^ag^asquare^ag^asquare^ag^asquare^ag^asquare^a$$
      We see that no matter where girl$^a$ stands, the boys will still not stand next to each others:
      $$5!cdot6P5cdot12=1space036space800$$
      Update

      Also, if we are to swap it around:
      $$square b square b square b square b square b square$$
      We now have:
      $$5!cdot6!=86space 400 $$
      What is wrong with the last two logic?

      Thank you.






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          Your first computation is correct.



          The latter two computations undercount because they start off by taking one of the girls away. Let's say they always take girl #1 away.



          Now if we number the girls, those solutions can contain as an example $1 2 b 3 b 4 b 5 b 6b$. But they can not contain $1b2b34b5b6b$. We've lost the ability to have two girls next to eachother without involving girl #1.






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            Now, I know the last two undercount somehow but I can't see why '$1b2b3b4b5b6b$' is not possible in the second case?
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            @HuyTranVan You misread. I said $1b2b34b5b6b$. There is no $b$ between $3$ and $4$.
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            I wanted to know why $12b3b4b5b6b$ is possible but then $1b2b34b5b6b$ (no b between 3 and 4) is not counted in the second case. According to you when one of the girls stands next to another, the question changed?
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          In the last one you're obviously leaving some out, which could be gotten by swapping some of bg combinations in either sum.



          In the second, also, you're not counting certain arrangements, which could be gotten by, again, swapping at least some bg combinations.



          The right one is the first.






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            You are on the right track with thinking that there are 7 possible slots with 5 boys to be arranged into those slots. This is a combination problem with can be treated as a 7 choose 5 or a $7 choose 5$.

            A $7 choose 5$ is calculated as
            $$
            frac{7!}{5!*(7-5)!} = 21
            $$
            Therefore there are 21 combinations in which the boys could be arranged.



            I have also used an excel spreadsheet to show the possible ways that they could be arranged which ends up equaling 21.



            Picture of how the boys and girls could be arranged in 21 combinations






            share|cite|improve this answer








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              My answer is predicated that this is a combination problem, not a permutation problem. As they are described as boys and girls, they are likely interchangeable and this is a combination. If the question was how many ways can Tom, Dick, Harry, Sam, and Bob be arranged, that would be a different question with a much larger answer.
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            $begingroup$

            Your first computation is correct.



            The latter two computations undercount because they start off by taking one of the girls away. Let's say they always take girl #1 away.



            Now if we number the girls, those solutions can contain as an example $1 2 b 3 b 4 b 5 b 6b$. But they can not contain $1b2b34b5b6b$. We've lost the ability to have two girls next to eachother without involving girl #1.






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            • $begingroup$
              Now, I know the last two undercount somehow but I can't see why '$1b2b3b4b5b6b$' is not possible in the second case?
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              – Huy Tran Van
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              @HuyTranVan You misread. I said $1b2b34b5b6b$. There is no $b$ between $3$ and $4$.
              $endgroup$
              – orlp
              1 hour ago












            • $begingroup$
              I wanted to know why $12b3b4b5b6b$ is possible but then $1b2b34b5b6b$ (no b between 3 and 4) is not counted in the second case. According to you when one of the girls stands next to another, the question changed?
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            $begingroup$

            Your first computation is correct.



            The latter two computations undercount because they start off by taking one of the girls away. Let's say they always take girl #1 away.



            Now if we number the girls, those solutions can contain as an example $1 2 b 3 b 4 b 5 b 6b$. But they can not contain $1b2b34b5b6b$. We've lost the ability to have two girls next to eachother without involving girl #1.






            share|cite|improve this answer









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            • $begingroup$
              Now, I know the last two undercount somehow but I can't see why '$1b2b3b4b5b6b$' is not possible in the second case?
              $endgroup$
              – Huy Tran Van
              2 hours ago












            • $begingroup$
              @HuyTranVan You misread. I said $1b2b34b5b6b$. There is no $b$ between $3$ and $4$.
              $endgroup$
              – orlp
              1 hour ago












            • $begingroup$
              I wanted to know why $12b3b4b5b6b$ is possible but then $1b2b34b5b6b$ (no b between 3 and 4) is not counted in the second case. According to you when one of the girls stands next to another, the question changed?
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            $begingroup$

            Your first computation is correct.



            The latter two computations undercount because they start off by taking one of the girls away. Let's say they always take girl #1 away.



            Now if we number the girls, those solutions can contain as an example $1 2 b 3 b 4 b 5 b 6b$. But they can not contain $1b2b34b5b6b$. We've lost the ability to have two girls next to eachother without involving girl #1.






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            Your first computation is correct.



            The latter two computations undercount because they start off by taking one of the girls away. Let's say they always take girl #1 away.



            Now if we number the girls, those solutions can contain as an example $1 2 b 3 b 4 b 5 b 6b$. But they can not contain $1b2b34b5b6b$. We've lost the ability to have two girls next to eachother without involving girl #1.







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            • $begingroup$
              Now, I know the last two undercount somehow but I can't see why '$1b2b3b4b5b6b$' is not possible in the second case?
              $endgroup$
              – Huy Tran Van
              2 hours ago












            • $begingroup$
              @HuyTranVan You misread. I said $1b2b34b5b6b$. There is no $b$ between $3$ and $4$.
              $endgroup$
              – orlp
              1 hour ago












            • $begingroup$
              I wanted to know why $12b3b4b5b6b$ is possible but then $1b2b34b5b6b$ (no b between 3 and 4) is not counted in the second case. According to you when one of the girls stands next to another, the question changed?
              $endgroup$
              – Huy Tran Van
              1 hour ago




















            • $begingroup$
              Now, I know the last two undercount somehow but I can't see why '$1b2b3b4b5b6b$' is not possible in the second case?
              $endgroup$
              – Huy Tran Van
              2 hours ago












            • $begingroup$
              @HuyTranVan You misread. I said $1b2b34b5b6b$. There is no $b$ between $3$ and $4$.
              $endgroup$
              – orlp
              1 hour ago












            • $begingroup$
              I wanted to know why $12b3b4b5b6b$ is possible but then $1b2b34b5b6b$ (no b between 3 and 4) is not counted in the second case. According to you when one of the girls stands next to another, the question changed?
              $endgroup$
              – Huy Tran Van
              1 hour ago


















            $begingroup$
            Now, I know the last two undercount somehow but I can't see why '$1b2b3b4b5b6b$' is not possible in the second case?
            $endgroup$
            – Huy Tran Van
            2 hours ago






            $begingroup$
            Now, I know the last two undercount somehow but I can't see why '$1b2b3b4b5b6b$' is not possible in the second case?
            $endgroup$
            – Huy Tran Van
            2 hours ago














            $begingroup$
            @HuyTranVan You misread. I said $1b2b34b5b6b$. There is no $b$ between $3$ and $4$.
            $endgroup$
            – orlp
            1 hour ago






            $begingroup$
            @HuyTranVan You misread. I said $1b2b34b5b6b$. There is no $b$ between $3$ and $4$.
            $endgroup$
            – orlp
            1 hour ago














            $begingroup$
            I wanted to know why $12b3b4b5b6b$ is possible but then $1b2b34b5b6b$ (no b between 3 and 4) is not counted in the second case. According to you when one of the girls stands next to another, the question changed?
            $endgroup$
            – Huy Tran Van
            1 hour ago






            $begingroup$
            I wanted to know why $12b3b4b5b6b$ is possible but then $1b2b34b5b6b$ (no b between 3 and 4) is not counted in the second case. According to you when one of the girls stands next to another, the question changed?
            $endgroup$
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            1 hour ago













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            In the last one you're obviously leaving some out, which could be gotten by swapping some of bg combinations in either sum.



            In the second, also, you're not counting certain arrangements, which could be gotten by, again, swapping at least some bg combinations.



            The right one is the first.






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              $begingroup$

              In the last one you're obviously leaving some out, which could be gotten by swapping some of bg combinations in either sum.



              In the second, also, you're not counting certain arrangements, which could be gotten by, again, swapping at least some bg combinations.



              The right one is the first.






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                2





                $begingroup$

                In the last one you're obviously leaving some out, which could be gotten by swapping some of bg combinations in either sum.



                In the second, also, you're not counting certain arrangements, which could be gotten by, again, swapping at least some bg combinations.



                The right one is the first.






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                In the last one you're obviously leaving some out, which could be gotten by swapping some of bg combinations in either sum.



                In the second, also, you're not counting certain arrangements, which could be gotten by, again, swapping at least some bg combinations.



                The right one is the first.







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                    $begingroup$

                    You are on the right track with thinking that there are 7 possible slots with 5 boys to be arranged into those slots. This is a combination problem with can be treated as a 7 choose 5 or a $7 choose 5$.

                    A $7 choose 5$ is calculated as
                    $$
                    frac{7!}{5!*(7-5)!} = 21
                    $$
                    Therefore there are 21 combinations in which the boys could be arranged.



                    I have also used an excel spreadsheet to show the possible ways that they could be arranged which ends up equaling 21.



                    Picture of how the boys and girls could be arranged in 21 combinations






                    share|cite|improve this answer








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                      My answer is predicated that this is a combination problem, not a permutation problem. As they are described as boys and girls, they are likely interchangeable and this is a combination. If the question was how many ways can Tom, Dick, Harry, Sam, and Bob be arranged, that would be a different question with a much larger answer.
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                    -1












                    $begingroup$

                    You are on the right track with thinking that there are 7 possible slots with 5 boys to be arranged into those slots. This is a combination problem with can be treated as a 7 choose 5 or a $7 choose 5$.

                    A $7 choose 5$ is calculated as
                    $$
                    frac{7!}{5!*(7-5)!} = 21
                    $$
                    Therefore there are 21 combinations in which the boys could be arranged.



                    I have also used an excel spreadsheet to show the possible ways that they could be arranged which ends up equaling 21.



                    Picture of how the boys and girls could be arranged in 21 combinations






                    share|cite|improve this answer








                    New contributor




                    Tucktuckgoose is a new contributor to this site. Take care in asking for clarification, commenting, and answering.
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                    • $begingroup$
                      My answer is predicated that this is a combination problem, not a permutation problem. As they are described as boys and girls, they are likely interchangeable and this is a combination. If the question was how many ways can Tom, Dick, Harry, Sam, and Bob be arranged, that would be a different question with a much larger answer.
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                    -1








                    -1





                    $begingroup$

                    You are on the right track with thinking that there are 7 possible slots with 5 boys to be arranged into those slots. This is a combination problem with can be treated as a 7 choose 5 or a $7 choose 5$.

                    A $7 choose 5$ is calculated as
                    $$
                    frac{7!}{5!*(7-5)!} = 21
                    $$
                    Therefore there are 21 combinations in which the boys could be arranged.



                    I have also used an excel spreadsheet to show the possible ways that they could be arranged which ends up equaling 21.



                    Picture of how the boys and girls could be arranged in 21 combinations






                    share|cite|improve this answer








                    New contributor




                    Tucktuckgoose is a new contributor to this site. Take care in asking for clarification, commenting, and answering.
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                    You are on the right track with thinking that there are 7 possible slots with 5 boys to be arranged into those slots. This is a combination problem with can be treated as a 7 choose 5 or a $7 choose 5$.

                    A $7 choose 5$ is calculated as
                    $$
                    frac{7!}{5!*(7-5)!} = 21
                    $$
                    Therefore there are 21 combinations in which the boys could be arranged.



                    I have also used an excel spreadsheet to show the possible ways that they could be arranged which ends up equaling 21.



                    Picture of how the boys and girls could be arranged in 21 combinations







                    share|cite|improve this answer








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                    • $begingroup$
                      My answer is predicated that this is a combination problem, not a permutation problem. As they are described as boys and girls, they are likely interchangeable and this is a combination. If the question was how many ways can Tom, Dick, Harry, Sam, and Bob be arranged, that would be a different question with a much larger answer.
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                    • $begingroup$
                      My answer is predicated that this is a combination problem, not a permutation problem. As they are described as boys and girls, they are likely interchangeable and this is a combination. If the question was how many ways can Tom, Dick, Harry, Sam, and Bob be arranged, that would be a different question with a much larger answer.
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                    $begingroup$
                    My answer is predicated that this is a combination problem, not a permutation problem. As they are described as boys and girls, they are likely interchangeable and this is a combination. If the question was how many ways can Tom, Dick, Harry, Sam, and Bob be arranged, that would be a different question with a much larger answer.
                    $endgroup$
                    – Tucktuckgoose
                    2 hours ago




                    $begingroup$
                    My answer is predicated that this is a combination problem, not a permutation problem. As they are described as boys and girls, they are likely interchangeable and this is a combination. If the question was how many ways can Tom, Dick, Harry, Sam, and Bob be arranged, that would be a different question with a much larger answer.
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                    0 I am on a system dual-booting Windows and Debian (usually using the latter), and a recent Windows update appears to have wreaked havoc on the Debian boot system. I managed to boot Windows again, but not Linux. Following online suggestions, I created a Live USB of Ubuntu, and booted from that. Then I have installed and run the boot-repair utility. The utility instructs me to type several lines including sudo chroot "/mnt/boot-sav/sda6" apt-get purge -y grub*-common grub-common:i386 To which I receive the error E: Unable to locate package grub-common:i386 I am given to understand the issue may have to do with having UEFI vs BIOS (I believe I have UEFI), but do not understand this well. In any case I have subsequently run the boot-repair BootInfo Summary utility which created the following file h...
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                    濃尾地震

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                    濃尾地震 『岐阜市街大地震之図』 歌川国利画 本震 発生日 1891年（明治24年）10月28日 発生時刻 6時38分50秒（JST） 震央 日本 岐阜県本巣郡西根尾村（現・本巣市） 北緯35度35分 東経136度20分（ 地図 ） 規模    マグニチュード（M）8.0 最大震度    震度7： 注1 福井県今立郡鯖江町、愛知県葉栗郡大田島村、東春日井郡勝川村 地震の種類 直下型地震 被害 死傷者数 死者7,273人、負傷者17,175人 注1：当時の震度階級では「激烈」 プロジェクト:地球科学 プロジェクト:災害 テンプレートを表示 濃尾地震 （のうびじしん）は、1891年（明治24年）10月28日に濃尾地方で発生した、日本史上最大の内陸地殻内地震。「 美濃・尾張地震 （みの・おわりじしん）」とも呼ばれている。辛卯の年に発生したことから 辛卯震災 と呼んでいる報告書もある。 目次 1 概要 1.1 震源断層 2 被害 3 各地の震度 4 前兆現象 5 報道 6 学術的な意義 7 地震防災 8 脚注 9 関連項目 10 外部リンク 概要 濃尾地震発生当時の根尾谷断層 濃尾地震を引き起こした根尾谷断層 写真中央を斜めに走る段差が根尾谷断層 濃尾地震は、1891年10月28日6時38分50秒に発生した。震源は、岐阜県本巣郡西根尾村（現・本巣市）、北緯35度35分、東経136度20分付近。河角廣 (1951) は岐阜市付近（北緯35.6度、東経136.6度）に震央を仮定し規模 M K = 7.0 を与え [1] 、マグニチュードは M = 8.4 に換算されているが、明治・大正期の地震については0.5程度大きく見積もられているとされる [2] 。また、震央距離と震度との関係など当時のデータから後にM8.0 [3] とも推定される。アメリカ地質調査所 (USGS) でも8.0としている [4] 。「根尾谷断層帯」が活動した典型的な内陸地殻内地震（いわゆる直下型地震）であり、これは記録が残っている日本の内陸...
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