How can I provide an electrical outlet at my portable kitchen island?
I want to use appliances on my kitchen island but don't want it to be built in. If I hang a pendant light and install a lamp holder outlet adapter into a light bulb socket. Is this dangerous or a violation of code? I would wire the lighting like I would for electrical outlets in the kitchen and provide a GFCI upstream. I don't see anything in the code about hanging outlets in the kitchen.
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I want to use appliances on my kitchen island but don't want it to be built in. If I hang a pendant light and install a lamp holder outlet adapter into a light bulb socket. Is this dangerous or a violation of code? I would wire the lighting like I would for electrical outlets in the kitchen and provide a GFCI upstream. I don't see anything in the code about hanging outlets in the kitchen.
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Hello, and welcome to Home Improvement. So, you're thinking to have a hanging light, screw in an outlet adaptor, and then plug your kitchen tools into the adaptor? I'm reeeeally dubious about that...
– Daniel Griscom
12 hours ago
4
I would think it would be preferable to install an outlet in the floor under the island. You could mount a power strip in the island and plug it into the floor. I guess it depends how often you would be moving the island and if you care what the floor looks like under it.
– Jerrad
10 hours ago
1
Can you provide a bit more detail of your plans? Is your intention to have an island in your kitchen that you can put in the middle, or move out of the way; or is the island intended to be used in different kitchens? What type of electrical appliances would you like to use in/on the island? And more information like that; it will help us properly assess your needs and identify a good solution.
– marcelm
5 hours ago
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I want to use appliances on my kitchen island but don't want it to be built in. If I hang a pendant light and install a lamp holder outlet adapter into a light bulb socket. Is this dangerous or a violation of code? I would wire the lighting like I would for electrical outlets in the kitchen and provide a GFCI upstream. I don't see anything in the code about hanging outlets in the kitchen.
electrical kitchens island
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I want to use appliances on my kitchen island but don't want it to be built in. If I hang a pendant light and install a lamp holder outlet adapter into a light bulb socket. Is this dangerous or a violation of code? I would wire the lighting like I would for electrical outlets in the kitchen and provide a GFCI upstream. I don't see anything in the code about hanging outlets in the kitchen.
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Hello, and welcome to Home Improvement. So, you're thinking to have a hanging light, screw in an outlet adaptor, and then plug your kitchen tools into the adaptor? I'm reeeeally dubious about that...
– Daniel Griscom
12 hours ago
4
I would think it would be preferable to install an outlet in the floor under the island. You could mount a power strip in the island and plug it into the floor. I guess it depends how often you would be moving the island and if you care what the floor looks like under it.
– Jerrad
10 hours ago
1
Can you provide a bit more detail of your plans? Is your intention to have an island in your kitchen that you can put in the middle, or move out of the way; or is the island intended to be used in different kitchens? What type of electrical appliances would you like to use in/on the island? And more information like that; it will help us properly assess your needs and identify a good solution.
– marcelm
5 hours ago
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2
Hello, and welcome to Home Improvement. So, you're thinking to have a hanging light, screw in an outlet adaptor, and then plug your kitchen tools into the adaptor? I'm reeeeally dubious about that...
– Daniel Griscom
12 hours ago
4
I would think it would be preferable to install an outlet in the floor under the island. You could mount a power strip in the island and plug it into the floor. I guess it depends how often you would be moving the island and if you care what the floor looks like under it.
– Jerrad
10 hours ago
1
Can you provide a bit more detail of your plans? Is your intention to have an island in your kitchen that you can put in the middle, or move out of the way; or is the island intended to be used in different kitchens? What type of electrical appliances would you like to use in/on the island? And more information like that; it will help us properly assess your needs and identify a good solution.
– marcelm
5 hours ago
2
2
Hello, and welcome to Home Improvement. So, you're thinking to have a hanging light, screw in an outlet adaptor, and then plug your kitchen tools into the adaptor? I'm reeeeally dubious about that...
– Daniel Griscom
12 hours ago
Hello, and welcome to Home Improvement. So, you're thinking to have a hanging light, screw in an outlet adaptor, and then plug your kitchen tools into the adaptor? I'm reeeeally dubious about that...
– Daniel Griscom
12 hours ago
4
4
I would think it would be preferable to install an outlet in the floor under the island. You could mount a power strip in the island and plug it into the floor. I guess it depends how often you would be moving the island and if you care what the floor looks like under it.
– Jerrad
10 hours ago
I would think it would be preferable to install an outlet in the floor under the island. You could mount a power strip in the island and plug it into the floor. I guess it depends how often you would be moving the island and if you care what the floor looks like under it.
– Jerrad
10 hours ago
1
1
Can you provide a bit more detail of your plans? Is your intention to have an island in your kitchen that you can put in the middle, or move out of the way; or is the island intended to be used in different kitchens? What type of electrical appliances would you like to use in/on the island? And more information like that; it will help us properly assess your needs and identify a good solution.
– marcelm
5 hours ago
Can you provide a bit more detail of your plans? Is your intention to have an island in your kitchen that you can put in the middle, or move out of the way; or is the island intended to be used in different kitchens? What type of electrical appliances would you like to use in/on the island? And more information like that; it will help us properly assess your needs and identify a good solution.
– marcelm
5 hours ago
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There are pendants and there are pendants. An item like this Power Pendant Outlet Drop is designed for the purpose you describe. An ordinary residential grade hanging light is NOT. There are a few possible issues:
An ordinary hanging light fixture is designed to carry the weight of the fixture. It is not designed to handle frequent manipulation and the stress of daily plugging/unplugging of appliances.
An ordinary light fixture (hanging or a table lamp or whatever) will often have smaller size wire than needed for a full 15A or 20A circuit because the requirements (and associated UL testing/rating) are based on the fixture having a maximum continuous usage far lower than 15A or 20A. For example, a 6-bulb chandelier might be rated for 6 x 60W = 360W == 3A continuous usage. Therefore, it can have 18 AWG wires from the bulbs on up to the ceiling box. You do NOT want to run your toaster oven on 18 AWG wires.
Grounding - I do not know if ANY edison-base to receptacle adapters are available with proper 3-wire grounded receptacles. I know the ones I Google'd now (UL listed, name brand) are NOT grounded, and I suspect that by design it is not possible to have such an adapter properly grounded.
GFCI - If the lighting circuit is on a GFCI breaker (or downstream "Load" of a GFCI receptacle) then you are protected (and this helps mitigate the grounding concern). But if that is not the case then you would need to retrofit a GFCI breaker. If you can't do that (e.g., old fuse box or double-stuff breakers) then you are going against modern code for kitchen receptacles.
In short: This is not a good idea unless you are prepared to install a "real" pendant power source.
As far as the alternative of a floor outlet - that can easily solve most of these issues. However, a floor outlet will be too far away for modern kitchen appliances that typically have (based on modern kitchen electrical code) ~ 2 - 3 ft. cords. A hanging pendant (of the right type) does not have that problem.
I fully agree that most lights would not have large enough wires, in industrial facilities we have pendants in many locations in work areas above tables where a floor outlet would not stand up with proper cord grips and strain reliefs it won't look as nice as I would want in my home but it would be the proper way to do it.
– Ed Beal
9 hours ago
It depends on the "look". If you want an "artistic" look, this is a "NO". But if you go for steel counters & appliances and "commercial" look (i.e., professional chef wannabe) then a proper pendant might fit in just fine.
– manassehkatz
9 hours ago
2
In addition to all of these great points, the lighting circuit will also certainly be shared with a number of other devices and outlets. Even if OP removed the fixture completely and dropped a power pendant straight from the octo-box, it's entirely possible that this will be sharing a circuit with something that will pop a breaker if run in parallel with either a toaster or kettle, either of which can easily consume most of the available amperage of a single 15A circuit. Kitchen outlets are usually dedicated (either dual-circuit split 15A or single 20A) to handle these high load appliances.
– J...
8 hours ago
@J... I agree, though the same issue can apply in the case of a new floor outlet or a new outlet anywhere in the kitchen - if it is piggybacked off another circuit you can run into trouble.
– manassehkatz
8 hours ago
@manassehkatz Yep. My vote would 100% be for a new dedicated circuit to a floor outlet. The size would depend on what they intend to use it for. If they want to run a kettle, toaster oven, and microwave all at the same time, for example, maybe multiple circuits.
– J...
8 hours ago
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The only problem I can see is that the wiring internal to a pendant lamp is probably not rated for the 20A that is typically needed for kitchen outlets.
Another option might be a flush mounted floor outlet:

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The feature to look for is waterproofness - kitchen floors get wet. Both when closed as pictured, and when connected to a line.
– Criggie
8 hours ago
Find one in Decora, otherwise you need a GFCI breaker instead of just a receptacle - but only if the junction box is big enough to fit a GFCI anyway...
– Mazura
2 hours ago
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Yes, it's a terrible idea. People really don't get that their kitchen appliances are the heaviest draw plug-in loads in the home. Yes, really, that silly little $18 hot plate draws a full 1500 watts (12.5 amps). Don't "nahhh" me, it's true. Go look.
And when you're done, check out that $12 hair dryer and $15 heater-fan.
So putting any kitchen appliance on an improvised power source is sheer madness.
However, pendant lamps are a name that is derived from another thing: the pendant. That is a power drop from the ceiling. It uses
- a heavy flexible cord that is pendant-rated, talk with your local electrical supply house about these.
- quality, typically metal-net strain relief on both ends of the cord.
- a durable junction box in both ceiling and pendant, typically aluminum or steel
I don't buy prefabricated pendants, I knock them together out of the above parts, as needed to suit.
Code requires you provide GFCI protection to the pendant since it serves kitchen countertops. Because the cord itself is vulnerable to damage, I suggest having the GFCI device upstream of the pendant, e.g. GFCI breaker.
You note from the above that one circuit can't even support two of these large kitchen-appliance loads. So there's a lot of sense to putting 2 circuits out at the island. If you do that, I advise either having 2 pendants, or seeking /5 cordage (2 hots 2 neutrals 1 ground). In cordage, the ground counts as a wire. The trouble with running /4 MWBC and using a 2-pole GFCI breaker is then you can't do AFCI, and a pendant cord is a really good use-case for AFCI.
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"Any kitchen appliance" is misstated. Heating/cooling devices and other kitchen appliances are in completely different classes. A mixer, blender, food processor, or similar has no demanding electrical requirements. An oven or hot plate of course does.
– R..
6 hours ago
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@R.. The problem is, (and I have plenty of direct experience with this), consumers have no earthly clue how much current or power any given appliance actually draws. If I say "large draw appliances", they literally think "like the refrigerator, then", which you and I know is the opposite of true. I could find no way to convey in an accessible way "improvised electrical connections are OK for low draw appliances". Not that I'm sure I would even want to say that.
– Harper
5 hours ago
1
@R.. "A mixer, blender, food processor, or similar has no demanding electrical requirements." - I think you are severely underestimating those devices; NutriBullet blender: 900 watts (7.5A @ 120V); CuisinArt 14-cup food processor: 720 watts (6A @ 120V). While powerful, those devices are nothing crazy. Also, those power figures are likely rated power; startup/stall power is probably higher. It's definitely more than I'd be comfortable running through a lamp socket adapter.
– marcelm
5 hours ago
1
@marcelm: OK, when I think of food processor, it's a 1-4 cup device, not a 14 cup behemoth. Indeed some people have much bigger things in mind.
– R..
4 hours ago
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If you look at Blendtec you can easily get to 13A - 15A machines.
– manassehkatz
3 hours ago
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While it might be unsightly, I would see if you can install some surface-mount conduit. It's not pretty, but it would let you feed wires safely overhead to your island. You simply wire it into an existing outlet along the wall.
To get the power down from the ceiling, you install a commonly available extension cord reel.
Installed properly, you can always remove the conduit should you tire of this
A retractable outlet on some kind of takeup reel, at the ceiling might work. Something like a retractable garden hose reel. Would be ideal if the line-socket could move up and out of eye-line but remain in reach.
– Criggie
8 hours ago
They make retractable outlets but now we are talking really ugly or the ones I have seen are.
– Ed Beal
6 hours ago
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There are pendants and there are pendants. An item like this Power Pendant Outlet Drop is designed for the purpose you describe. An ordinary residential grade hanging light is NOT. There are a few possible issues:
An ordinary hanging light fixture is designed to carry the weight of the fixture. It is not designed to handle frequent manipulation and the stress of daily plugging/unplugging of appliances.
An ordinary light fixture (hanging or a table lamp or whatever) will often have smaller size wire than needed for a full 15A or 20A circuit because the requirements (and associated UL testing/rating) are based on the fixture having a maximum continuous usage far lower than 15A or 20A. For example, a 6-bulb chandelier might be rated for 6 x 60W = 360W == 3A continuous usage. Therefore, it can have 18 AWG wires from the bulbs on up to the ceiling box. You do NOT want to run your toaster oven on 18 AWG wires.
Grounding - I do not know if ANY edison-base to receptacle adapters are available with proper 3-wire grounded receptacles. I know the ones I Google'd now (UL listed, name brand) are NOT grounded, and I suspect that by design it is not possible to have such an adapter properly grounded.
GFCI - If the lighting circuit is on a GFCI breaker (or downstream "Load" of a GFCI receptacle) then you are protected (and this helps mitigate the grounding concern). But if that is not the case then you would need to retrofit a GFCI breaker. If you can't do that (e.g., old fuse box or double-stuff breakers) then you are going against modern code for kitchen receptacles.
In short: This is not a good idea unless you are prepared to install a "real" pendant power source.
As far as the alternative of a floor outlet - that can easily solve most of these issues. However, a floor outlet will be too far away for modern kitchen appliances that typically have (based on modern kitchen electrical code) ~ 2 - 3 ft. cords. A hanging pendant (of the right type) does not have that problem.
I fully agree that most lights would not have large enough wires, in industrial facilities we have pendants in many locations in work areas above tables where a floor outlet would not stand up with proper cord grips and strain reliefs it won't look as nice as I would want in my home but it would be the proper way to do it.
– Ed Beal
9 hours ago
It depends on the "look". If you want an "artistic" look, this is a "NO". But if you go for steel counters & appliances and "commercial" look (i.e., professional chef wannabe) then a proper pendant might fit in just fine.
– manassehkatz
9 hours ago
2
In addition to all of these great points, the lighting circuit will also certainly be shared with a number of other devices and outlets. Even if OP removed the fixture completely and dropped a power pendant straight from the octo-box, it's entirely possible that this will be sharing a circuit with something that will pop a breaker if run in parallel with either a toaster or kettle, either of which can easily consume most of the available amperage of a single 15A circuit. Kitchen outlets are usually dedicated (either dual-circuit split 15A or single 20A) to handle these high load appliances.
– J...
8 hours ago
@J... I agree, though the same issue can apply in the case of a new floor outlet or a new outlet anywhere in the kitchen - if it is piggybacked off another circuit you can run into trouble.
– manassehkatz
8 hours ago
@manassehkatz Yep. My vote would 100% be for a new dedicated circuit to a floor outlet. The size would depend on what they intend to use it for. If they want to run a kettle, toaster oven, and microwave all at the same time, for example, maybe multiple circuits.
– J...
8 hours ago
add a comment |
There are pendants and there are pendants. An item like this Power Pendant Outlet Drop is designed for the purpose you describe. An ordinary residential grade hanging light is NOT. There are a few possible issues:
An ordinary hanging light fixture is designed to carry the weight of the fixture. It is not designed to handle frequent manipulation and the stress of daily plugging/unplugging of appliances.
An ordinary light fixture (hanging or a table lamp or whatever) will often have smaller size wire than needed for a full 15A or 20A circuit because the requirements (and associated UL testing/rating) are based on the fixture having a maximum continuous usage far lower than 15A or 20A. For example, a 6-bulb chandelier might be rated for 6 x 60W = 360W == 3A continuous usage. Therefore, it can have 18 AWG wires from the bulbs on up to the ceiling box. You do NOT want to run your toaster oven on 18 AWG wires.
Grounding - I do not know if ANY edison-base to receptacle adapters are available with proper 3-wire grounded receptacles. I know the ones I Google'd now (UL listed, name brand) are NOT grounded, and I suspect that by design it is not possible to have such an adapter properly grounded.
GFCI - If the lighting circuit is on a GFCI breaker (or downstream "Load" of a GFCI receptacle) then you are protected (and this helps mitigate the grounding concern). But if that is not the case then you would need to retrofit a GFCI breaker. If you can't do that (e.g., old fuse box or double-stuff breakers) then you are going against modern code for kitchen receptacles.
In short: This is not a good idea unless you are prepared to install a "real" pendant power source.
As far as the alternative of a floor outlet - that can easily solve most of these issues. However, a floor outlet will be too far away for modern kitchen appliances that typically have (based on modern kitchen electrical code) ~ 2 - 3 ft. cords. A hanging pendant (of the right type) does not have that problem.
I fully agree that most lights would not have large enough wires, in industrial facilities we have pendants in many locations in work areas above tables where a floor outlet would not stand up with proper cord grips and strain reliefs it won't look as nice as I would want in my home but it would be the proper way to do it.
– Ed Beal
9 hours ago
It depends on the "look". If you want an "artistic" look, this is a "NO". But if you go for steel counters & appliances and "commercial" look (i.e., professional chef wannabe) then a proper pendant might fit in just fine.
– manassehkatz
9 hours ago
2
In addition to all of these great points, the lighting circuit will also certainly be shared with a number of other devices and outlets. Even if OP removed the fixture completely and dropped a power pendant straight from the octo-box, it's entirely possible that this will be sharing a circuit with something that will pop a breaker if run in parallel with either a toaster or kettle, either of which can easily consume most of the available amperage of a single 15A circuit. Kitchen outlets are usually dedicated (either dual-circuit split 15A or single 20A) to handle these high load appliances.
– J...
8 hours ago
@J... I agree, though the same issue can apply in the case of a new floor outlet or a new outlet anywhere in the kitchen - if it is piggybacked off another circuit you can run into trouble.
– manassehkatz
8 hours ago
@manassehkatz Yep. My vote would 100% be for a new dedicated circuit to a floor outlet. The size would depend on what they intend to use it for. If they want to run a kettle, toaster oven, and microwave all at the same time, for example, maybe multiple circuits.
– J...
8 hours ago
add a comment |
There are pendants and there are pendants. An item like this Power Pendant Outlet Drop is designed for the purpose you describe. An ordinary residential grade hanging light is NOT. There are a few possible issues:
An ordinary hanging light fixture is designed to carry the weight of the fixture. It is not designed to handle frequent manipulation and the stress of daily plugging/unplugging of appliances.
An ordinary light fixture (hanging or a table lamp or whatever) will often have smaller size wire than needed for a full 15A or 20A circuit because the requirements (and associated UL testing/rating) are based on the fixture having a maximum continuous usage far lower than 15A or 20A. For example, a 6-bulb chandelier might be rated for 6 x 60W = 360W == 3A continuous usage. Therefore, it can have 18 AWG wires from the bulbs on up to the ceiling box. You do NOT want to run your toaster oven on 18 AWG wires.
Grounding - I do not know if ANY edison-base to receptacle adapters are available with proper 3-wire grounded receptacles. I know the ones I Google'd now (UL listed, name brand) are NOT grounded, and I suspect that by design it is not possible to have such an adapter properly grounded.
GFCI - If the lighting circuit is on a GFCI breaker (or downstream "Load" of a GFCI receptacle) then you are protected (and this helps mitigate the grounding concern). But if that is not the case then you would need to retrofit a GFCI breaker. If you can't do that (e.g., old fuse box or double-stuff breakers) then you are going against modern code for kitchen receptacles.
In short: This is not a good idea unless you are prepared to install a "real" pendant power source.
As far as the alternative of a floor outlet - that can easily solve most of these issues. However, a floor outlet will be too far away for modern kitchen appliances that typically have (based on modern kitchen electrical code) ~ 2 - 3 ft. cords. A hanging pendant (of the right type) does not have that problem.
There are pendants and there are pendants. An item like this Power Pendant Outlet Drop is designed for the purpose you describe. An ordinary residential grade hanging light is NOT. There are a few possible issues:
An ordinary hanging light fixture is designed to carry the weight of the fixture. It is not designed to handle frequent manipulation and the stress of daily plugging/unplugging of appliances.
An ordinary light fixture (hanging or a table lamp or whatever) will often have smaller size wire than needed for a full 15A or 20A circuit because the requirements (and associated UL testing/rating) are based on the fixture having a maximum continuous usage far lower than 15A or 20A. For example, a 6-bulb chandelier might be rated for 6 x 60W = 360W == 3A continuous usage. Therefore, it can have 18 AWG wires from the bulbs on up to the ceiling box. You do NOT want to run your toaster oven on 18 AWG wires.
Grounding - I do not know if ANY edison-base to receptacle adapters are available with proper 3-wire grounded receptacles. I know the ones I Google'd now (UL listed, name brand) are NOT grounded, and I suspect that by design it is not possible to have such an adapter properly grounded.
GFCI - If the lighting circuit is on a GFCI breaker (or downstream "Load" of a GFCI receptacle) then you are protected (and this helps mitigate the grounding concern). But if that is not the case then you would need to retrofit a GFCI breaker. If you can't do that (e.g., old fuse box or double-stuff breakers) then you are going against modern code for kitchen receptacles.
In short: This is not a good idea unless you are prepared to install a "real" pendant power source.
As far as the alternative of a floor outlet - that can easily solve most of these issues. However, a floor outlet will be too far away for modern kitchen appliances that typically have (based on modern kitchen electrical code) ~ 2 - 3 ft. cords. A hanging pendant (of the right type) does not have that problem.
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I fully agree that most lights would not have large enough wires, in industrial facilities we have pendants in many locations in work areas above tables where a floor outlet would not stand up with proper cord grips and strain reliefs it won't look as nice as I would want in my home but it would be the proper way to do it.
– Ed Beal
9 hours ago
It depends on the "look". If you want an "artistic" look, this is a "NO". But if you go for steel counters & appliances and "commercial" look (i.e., professional chef wannabe) then a proper pendant might fit in just fine.
– manassehkatz
9 hours ago
2
In addition to all of these great points, the lighting circuit will also certainly be shared with a number of other devices and outlets. Even if OP removed the fixture completely and dropped a power pendant straight from the octo-box, it's entirely possible that this will be sharing a circuit with something that will pop a breaker if run in parallel with either a toaster or kettle, either of which can easily consume most of the available amperage of a single 15A circuit. Kitchen outlets are usually dedicated (either dual-circuit split 15A or single 20A) to handle these high load appliances.
– J...
8 hours ago
@J... I agree, though the same issue can apply in the case of a new floor outlet or a new outlet anywhere in the kitchen - if it is piggybacked off another circuit you can run into trouble.
– manassehkatz
8 hours ago
@manassehkatz Yep. My vote would 100% be for a new dedicated circuit to a floor outlet. The size would depend on what they intend to use it for. If they want to run a kettle, toaster oven, and microwave all at the same time, for example, maybe multiple circuits.
– J...
8 hours ago
add a comment |
I fully agree that most lights would not have large enough wires, in industrial facilities we have pendants in many locations in work areas above tables where a floor outlet would not stand up with proper cord grips and strain reliefs it won't look as nice as I would want in my home but it would be the proper way to do it.
– Ed Beal
9 hours ago
It depends on the "look". If you want an "artistic" look, this is a "NO". But if you go for steel counters & appliances and "commercial" look (i.e., professional chef wannabe) then a proper pendant might fit in just fine.
– manassehkatz
9 hours ago
2
In addition to all of these great points, the lighting circuit will also certainly be shared with a number of other devices and outlets. Even if OP removed the fixture completely and dropped a power pendant straight from the octo-box, it's entirely possible that this will be sharing a circuit with something that will pop a breaker if run in parallel with either a toaster or kettle, either of which can easily consume most of the available amperage of a single 15A circuit. Kitchen outlets are usually dedicated (either dual-circuit split 15A or single 20A) to handle these high load appliances.
– J...
8 hours ago
@J... I agree, though the same issue can apply in the case of a new floor outlet or a new outlet anywhere in the kitchen - if it is piggybacked off another circuit you can run into trouble.
– manassehkatz
8 hours ago
@manassehkatz Yep. My vote would 100% be for a new dedicated circuit to a floor outlet. The size would depend on what they intend to use it for. If they want to run a kettle, toaster oven, and microwave all at the same time, for example, maybe multiple circuits.
– J...
8 hours ago
I fully agree that most lights would not have large enough wires, in industrial facilities we have pendants in many locations in work areas above tables where a floor outlet would not stand up with proper cord grips and strain reliefs it won't look as nice as I would want in my home but it would be the proper way to do it.
– Ed Beal
9 hours ago
I fully agree that most lights would not have large enough wires, in industrial facilities we have pendants in many locations in work areas above tables where a floor outlet would not stand up with proper cord grips and strain reliefs it won't look as nice as I would want in my home but it would be the proper way to do it.
– Ed Beal
9 hours ago
It depends on the "look". If you want an "artistic" look, this is a "NO". But if you go for steel counters & appliances and "commercial" look (i.e., professional chef wannabe) then a proper pendant might fit in just fine.
– manassehkatz
9 hours ago
It depends on the "look". If you want an "artistic" look, this is a "NO". But if you go for steel counters & appliances and "commercial" look (i.e., professional chef wannabe) then a proper pendant might fit in just fine.
– manassehkatz
9 hours ago
2
2
In addition to all of these great points, the lighting circuit will also certainly be shared with a number of other devices and outlets. Even if OP removed the fixture completely and dropped a power pendant straight from the octo-box, it's entirely possible that this will be sharing a circuit with something that will pop a breaker if run in parallel with either a toaster or kettle, either of which can easily consume most of the available amperage of a single 15A circuit. Kitchen outlets are usually dedicated (either dual-circuit split 15A or single 20A) to handle these high load appliances.
– J...
8 hours ago
In addition to all of these great points, the lighting circuit will also certainly be shared with a number of other devices and outlets. Even if OP removed the fixture completely and dropped a power pendant straight from the octo-box, it's entirely possible that this will be sharing a circuit with something that will pop a breaker if run in parallel with either a toaster or kettle, either of which can easily consume most of the available amperage of a single 15A circuit. Kitchen outlets are usually dedicated (either dual-circuit split 15A or single 20A) to handle these high load appliances.
– J...
8 hours ago
@J... I agree, though the same issue can apply in the case of a new floor outlet or a new outlet anywhere in the kitchen - if it is piggybacked off another circuit you can run into trouble.
– manassehkatz
8 hours ago
@J... I agree, though the same issue can apply in the case of a new floor outlet or a new outlet anywhere in the kitchen - if it is piggybacked off another circuit you can run into trouble.
– manassehkatz
8 hours ago
@manassehkatz Yep. My vote would 100% be for a new dedicated circuit to a floor outlet. The size would depend on what they intend to use it for. If they want to run a kettle, toaster oven, and microwave all at the same time, for example, maybe multiple circuits.
– J...
8 hours ago
@manassehkatz Yep. My vote would 100% be for a new dedicated circuit to a floor outlet. The size would depend on what they intend to use it for. If they want to run a kettle, toaster oven, and microwave all at the same time, for example, maybe multiple circuits.
– J...
8 hours ago
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The only problem I can see is that the wiring internal to a pendant lamp is probably not rated for the 20A that is typically needed for kitchen outlets.
Another option might be a flush mounted floor outlet:

1
The feature to look for is waterproofness - kitchen floors get wet. Both when closed as pictured, and when connected to a line.
– Criggie
8 hours ago
Find one in Decora, otherwise you need a GFCI breaker instead of just a receptacle - but only if the junction box is big enough to fit a GFCI anyway...
– Mazura
2 hours ago
add a comment |
The only problem I can see is that the wiring internal to a pendant lamp is probably not rated for the 20A that is typically needed for kitchen outlets.
Another option might be a flush mounted floor outlet:

1
The feature to look for is waterproofness - kitchen floors get wet. Both when closed as pictured, and when connected to a line.
– Criggie
8 hours ago
Find one in Decora, otherwise you need a GFCI breaker instead of just a receptacle - but only if the junction box is big enough to fit a GFCI anyway...
– Mazura
2 hours ago
add a comment |
The only problem I can see is that the wiring internal to a pendant lamp is probably not rated for the 20A that is typically needed for kitchen outlets.
Another option might be a flush mounted floor outlet:

The only problem I can see is that the wiring internal to a pendant lamp is probably not rated for the 20A that is typically needed for kitchen outlets.
Another option might be a flush mounted floor outlet:

answered 10 hours ago
CoAstroGeek
1,4461715
1,4461715
1
The feature to look for is waterproofness - kitchen floors get wet. Both when closed as pictured, and when connected to a line.
– Criggie
8 hours ago
Find one in Decora, otherwise you need a GFCI breaker instead of just a receptacle - but only if the junction box is big enough to fit a GFCI anyway...
– Mazura
2 hours ago
add a comment |
1
The feature to look for is waterproofness - kitchen floors get wet. Both when closed as pictured, and when connected to a line.
– Criggie
8 hours ago
Find one in Decora, otherwise you need a GFCI breaker instead of just a receptacle - but only if the junction box is big enough to fit a GFCI anyway...
– Mazura
2 hours ago
1
1
The feature to look for is waterproofness - kitchen floors get wet. Both when closed as pictured, and when connected to a line.
– Criggie
8 hours ago
The feature to look for is waterproofness - kitchen floors get wet. Both when closed as pictured, and when connected to a line.
– Criggie
8 hours ago
Find one in Decora, otherwise you need a GFCI breaker instead of just a receptacle - but only if the junction box is big enough to fit a GFCI anyway...
– Mazura
2 hours ago
Find one in Decora, otherwise you need a GFCI breaker instead of just a receptacle - but only if the junction box is big enough to fit a GFCI anyway...
– Mazura
2 hours ago
add a comment |
Yes, it's a terrible idea. People really don't get that their kitchen appliances are the heaviest draw plug-in loads in the home. Yes, really, that silly little $18 hot plate draws a full 1500 watts (12.5 amps). Don't "nahhh" me, it's true. Go look.
And when you're done, check out that $12 hair dryer and $15 heater-fan.
So putting any kitchen appliance on an improvised power source is sheer madness.
However, pendant lamps are a name that is derived from another thing: the pendant. That is a power drop from the ceiling. It uses
- a heavy flexible cord that is pendant-rated, talk with your local electrical supply house about these.
- quality, typically metal-net strain relief on both ends of the cord.
- a durable junction box in both ceiling and pendant, typically aluminum or steel
I don't buy prefabricated pendants, I knock them together out of the above parts, as needed to suit.
Code requires you provide GFCI protection to the pendant since it serves kitchen countertops. Because the cord itself is vulnerable to damage, I suggest having the GFCI device upstream of the pendant, e.g. GFCI breaker.
You note from the above that one circuit can't even support two of these large kitchen-appliance loads. So there's a lot of sense to putting 2 circuits out at the island. If you do that, I advise either having 2 pendants, or seeking /5 cordage (2 hots 2 neutrals 1 ground). In cordage, the ground counts as a wire. The trouble with running /4 MWBC and using a 2-pole GFCI breaker is then you can't do AFCI, and a pendant cord is a really good use-case for AFCI.
1
"Any kitchen appliance" is misstated. Heating/cooling devices and other kitchen appliances are in completely different classes. A mixer, blender, food processor, or similar has no demanding electrical requirements. An oven or hot plate of course does.
– R..
6 hours ago
2
@R.. The problem is, (and I have plenty of direct experience with this), consumers have no earthly clue how much current or power any given appliance actually draws. If I say "large draw appliances", they literally think "like the refrigerator, then", which you and I know is the opposite of true. I could find no way to convey in an accessible way "improvised electrical connections are OK for low draw appliances". Not that I'm sure I would even want to say that.
– Harper
5 hours ago
1
@R.. "A mixer, blender, food processor, or similar has no demanding electrical requirements." - I think you are severely underestimating those devices; NutriBullet blender: 900 watts (7.5A @ 120V); CuisinArt 14-cup food processor: 720 watts (6A @ 120V). While powerful, those devices are nothing crazy. Also, those power figures are likely rated power; startup/stall power is probably higher. It's definitely more than I'd be comfortable running through a lamp socket adapter.
– marcelm
5 hours ago
1
@marcelm: OK, when I think of food processor, it's a 1-4 cup device, not a 14 cup behemoth. Indeed some people have much bigger things in mind.
– R..
4 hours ago
1
If you look at Blendtec you can easily get to 13A - 15A machines.
– manassehkatz
3 hours ago
|
show 2 more comments
Yes, it's a terrible idea. People really don't get that their kitchen appliances are the heaviest draw plug-in loads in the home. Yes, really, that silly little $18 hot plate draws a full 1500 watts (12.5 amps). Don't "nahhh" me, it's true. Go look.
And when you're done, check out that $12 hair dryer and $15 heater-fan.
So putting any kitchen appliance on an improvised power source is sheer madness.
However, pendant lamps are a name that is derived from another thing: the pendant. That is a power drop from the ceiling. It uses
- a heavy flexible cord that is pendant-rated, talk with your local electrical supply house about these.
- quality, typically metal-net strain relief on both ends of the cord.
- a durable junction box in both ceiling and pendant, typically aluminum or steel
I don't buy prefabricated pendants, I knock them together out of the above parts, as needed to suit.
Code requires you provide GFCI protection to the pendant since it serves kitchen countertops. Because the cord itself is vulnerable to damage, I suggest having the GFCI device upstream of the pendant, e.g. GFCI breaker.
You note from the above that one circuit can't even support two of these large kitchen-appliance loads. So there's a lot of sense to putting 2 circuits out at the island. If you do that, I advise either having 2 pendants, or seeking /5 cordage (2 hots 2 neutrals 1 ground). In cordage, the ground counts as a wire. The trouble with running /4 MWBC and using a 2-pole GFCI breaker is then you can't do AFCI, and a pendant cord is a really good use-case for AFCI.
1
"Any kitchen appliance" is misstated. Heating/cooling devices and other kitchen appliances are in completely different classes. A mixer, blender, food processor, or similar has no demanding electrical requirements. An oven or hot plate of course does.
– R..
6 hours ago
2
@R.. The problem is, (and I have plenty of direct experience with this), consumers have no earthly clue how much current or power any given appliance actually draws. If I say "large draw appliances", they literally think "like the refrigerator, then", which you and I know is the opposite of true. I could find no way to convey in an accessible way "improvised electrical connections are OK for low draw appliances". Not that I'm sure I would even want to say that.
– Harper
5 hours ago
1
@R.. "A mixer, blender, food processor, or similar has no demanding electrical requirements." - I think you are severely underestimating those devices; NutriBullet blender: 900 watts (7.5A @ 120V); CuisinArt 14-cup food processor: 720 watts (6A @ 120V). While powerful, those devices are nothing crazy. Also, those power figures are likely rated power; startup/stall power is probably higher. It's definitely more than I'd be comfortable running through a lamp socket adapter.
– marcelm
5 hours ago
1
@marcelm: OK, when I think of food processor, it's a 1-4 cup device, not a 14 cup behemoth. Indeed some people have much bigger things in mind.
– R..
4 hours ago
1
If you look at Blendtec you can easily get to 13A - 15A machines.
– manassehkatz
3 hours ago
|
show 2 more comments
Yes, it's a terrible idea. People really don't get that their kitchen appliances are the heaviest draw plug-in loads in the home. Yes, really, that silly little $18 hot plate draws a full 1500 watts (12.5 amps). Don't "nahhh" me, it's true. Go look.
And when you're done, check out that $12 hair dryer and $15 heater-fan.
So putting any kitchen appliance on an improvised power source is sheer madness.
However, pendant lamps are a name that is derived from another thing: the pendant. That is a power drop from the ceiling. It uses
- a heavy flexible cord that is pendant-rated, talk with your local electrical supply house about these.
- quality, typically metal-net strain relief on both ends of the cord.
- a durable junction box in both ceiling and pendant, typically aluminum or steel
I don't buy prefabricated pendants, I knock them together out of the above parts, as needed to suit.
Code requires you provide GFCI protection to the pendant since it serves kitchen countertops. Because the cord itself is vulnerable to damage, I suggest having the GFCI device upstream of the pendant, e.g. GFCI breaker.
You note from the above that one circuit can't even support two of these large kitchen-appliance loads. So there's a lot of sense to putting 2 circuits out at the island. If you do that, I advise either having 2 pendants, or seeking /5 cordage (2 hots 2 neutrals 1 ground). In cordage, the ground counts as a wire. The trouble with running /4 MWBC and using a 2-pole GFCI breaker is then you can't do AFCI, and a pendant cord is a really good use-case for AFCI.
Yes, it's a terrible idea. People really don't get that their kitchen appliances are the heaviest draw plug-in loads in the home. Yes, really, that silly little $18 hot plate draws a full 1500 watts (12.5 amps). Don't "nahhh" me, it's true. Go look.
And when you're done, check out that $12 hair dryer and $15 heater-fan.
So putting any kitchen appliance on an improvised power source is sheer madness.
However, pendant lamps are a name that is derived from another thing: the pendant. That is a power drop from the ceiling. It uses
- a heavy flexible cord that is pendant-rated, talk with your local electrical supply house about these.
- quality, typically metal-net strain relief on both ends of the cord.
- a durable junction box in both ceiling and pendant, typically aluminum or steel
I don't buy prefabricated pendants, I knock them together out of the above parts, as needed to suit.
Code requires you provide GFCI protection to the pendant since it serves kitchen countertops. Because the cord itself is vulnerable to damage, I suggest having the GFCI device upstream of the pendant, e.g. GFCI breaker.
You note from the above that one circuit can't even support two of these large kitchen-appliance loads. So there's a lot of sense to putting 2 circuits out at the island. If you do that, I advise either having 2 pendants, or seeking /5 cordage (2 hots 2 neutrals 1 ground). In cordage, the ground counts as a wire. The trouble with running /4 MWBC and using a 2-pole GFCI breaker is then you can't do AFCI, and a pendant cord is a really good use-case for AFCI.
edited 6 hours ago
answered 8 hours ago
Harper
65.6k342133
65.6k342133
1
"Any kitchen appliance" is misstated. Heating/cooling devices and other kitchen appliances are in completely different classes. A mixer, blender, food processor, or similar has no demanding electrical requirements. An oven or hot plate of course does.
– R..
6 hours ago
2
@R.. The problem is, (and I have plenty of direct experience with this), consumers have no earthly clue how much current or power any given appliance actually draws. If I say "large draw appliances", they literally think "like the refrigerator, then", which you and I know is the opposite of true. I could find no way to convey in an accessible way "improvised electrical connections are OK for low draw appliances". Not that I'm sure I would even want to say that.
– Harper
5 hours ago
1
@R.. "A mixer, blender, food processor, or similar has no demanding electrical requirements." - I think you are severely underestimating those devices; NutriBullet blender: 900 watts (7.5A @ 120V); CuisinArt 14-cup food processor: 720 watts (6A @ 120V). While powerful, those devices are nothing crazy. Also, those power figures are likely rated power; startup/stall power is probably higher. It's definitely more than I'd be comfortable running through a lamp socket adapter.
– marcelm
5 hours ago
1
@marcelm: OK, when I think of food processor, it's a 1-4 cup device, not a 14 cup behemoth. Indeed some people have much bigger things in mind.
– R..
4 hours ago
1
If you look at Blendtec you can easily get to 13A - 15A machines.
– manassehkatz
3 hours ago
|
show 2 more comments
1
"Any kitchen appliance" is misstated. Heating/cooling devices and other kitchen appliances are in completely different classes. A mixer, blender, food processor, or similar has no demanding electrical requirements. An oven or hot plate of course does.
– R..
6 hours ago
2
@R.. The problem is, (and I have plenty of direct experience with this), consumers have no earthly clue how much current or power any given appliance actually draws. If I say "large draw appliances", they literally think "like the refrigerator, then", which you and I know is the opposite of true. I could find no way to convey in an accessible way "improvised electrical connections are OK for low draw appliances". Not that I'm sure I would even want to say that.
– Harper
5 hours ago
1
@R.. "A mixer, blender, food processor, or similar has no demanding electrical requirements." - I think you are severely underestimating those devices; NutriBullet blender: 900 watts (7.5A @ 120V); CuisinArt 14-cup food processor: 720 watts (6A @ 120V). While powerful, those devices are nothing crazy. Also, those power figures are likely rated power; startup/stall power is probably higher. It's definitely more than I'd be comfortable running through a lamp socket adapter.
– marcelm
5 hours ago
1
@marcelm: OK, when I think of food processor, it's a 1-4 cup device, not a 14 cup behemoth. Indeed some people have much bigger things in mind.
– R..
4 hours ago
1
If you look at Blendtec you can easily get to 13A - 15A machines.
– manassehkatz
3 hours ago
1
1
"Any kitchen appliance" is misstated. Heating/cooling devices and other kitchen appliances are in completely different classes. A mixer, blender, food processor, or similar has no demanding electrical requirements. An oven or hot plate of course does.
– R..
6 hours ago
"Any kitchen appliance" is misstated. Heating/cooling devices and other kitchen appliances are in completely different classes. A mixer, blender, food processor, or similar has no demanding electrical requirements. An oven or hot plate of course does.
– R..
6 hours ago
2
2
@R.. The problem is, (and I have plenty of direct experience with this), consumers have no earthly clue how much current or power any given appliance actually draws. If I say "large draw appliances", they literally think "like the refrigerator, then", which you and I know is the opposite of true. I could find no way to convey in an accessible way "improvised electrical connections are OK for low draw appliances". Not that I'm sure I would even want to say that.
– Harper
5 hours ago
@R.. The problem is, (and I have plenty of direct experience with this), consumers have no earthly clue how much current or power any given appliance actually draws. If I say "large draw appliances", they literally think "like the refrigerator, then", which you and I know is the opposite of true. I could find no way to convey in an accessible way "improvised electrical connections are OK for low draw appliances". Not that I'm sure I would even want to say that.
– Harper
5 hours ago
1
1
@R.. "A mixer, blender, food processor, or similar has no demanding electrical requirements." - I think you are severely underestimating those devices; NutriBullet blender: 900 watts (7.5A @ 120V); CuisinArt 14-cup food processor: 720 watts (6A @ 120V). While powerful, those devices are nothing crazy. Also, those power figures are likely rated power; startup/stall power is probably higher. It's definitely more than I'd be comfortable running through a lamp socket adapter.
– marcelm
5 hours ago
@R.. "A mixer, blender, food processor, or similar has no demanding electrical requirements." - I think you are severely underestimating those devices; NutriBullet blender: 900 watts (7.5A @ 120V); CuisinArt 14-cup food processor: 720 watts (6A @ 120V). While powerful, those devices are nothing crazy. Also, those power figures are likely rated power; startup/stall power is probably higher. It's definitely more than I'd be comfortable running through a lamp socket adapter.
– marcelm
5 hours ago
1
1
@marcelm: OK, when I think of food processor, it's a 1-4 cup device, not a 14 cup behemoth. Indeed some people have much bigger things in mind.
– R..
4 hours ago
@marcelm: OK, when I think of food processor, it's a 1-4 cup device, not a 14 cup behemoth. Indeed some people have much bigger things in mind.
– R..
4 hours ago
1
1
If you look at Blendtec you can easily get to 13A - 15A machines.
– manassehkatz
3 hours ago
If you look at Blendtec you can easily get to 13A - 15A machines.
– manassehkatz
3 hours ago
|
show 2 more comments
While it might be unsightly, I would see if you can install some surface-mount conduit. It's not pretty, but it would let you feed wires safely overhead to your island. You simply wire it into an existing outlet along the wall.
To get the power down from the ceiling, you install a commonly available extension cord reel.
Installed properly, you can always remove the conduit should you tire of this
A retractable outlet on some kind of takeup reel, at the ceiling might work. Something like a retractable garden hose reel. Would be ideal if the line-socket could move up and out of eye-line but remain in reach.
– Criggie
8 hours ago
They make retractable outlets but now we are talking really ugly or the ones I have seen are.
– Ed Beal
6 hours ago
add a comment |
While it might be unsightly, I would see if you can install some surface-mount conduit. It's not pretty, but it would let you feed wires safely overhead to your island. You simply wire it into an existing outlet along the wall.
To get the power down from the ceiling, you install a commonly available extension cord reel.
Installed properly, you can always remove the conduit should you tire of this
A retractable outlet on some kind of takeup reel, at the ceiling might work. Something like a retractable garden hose reel. Would be ideal if the line-socket could move up and out of eye-line but remain in reach.
– Criggie
8 hours ago
They make retractable outlets but now we are talking really ugly or the ones I have seen are.
– Ed Beal
6 hours ago
add a comment |
While it might be unsightly, I would see if you can install some surface-mount conduit. It's not pretty, but it would let you feed wires safely overhead to your island. You simply wire it into an existing outlet along the wall.
To get the power down from the ceiling, you install a commonly available extension cord reel.
Installed properly, you can always remove the conduit should you tire of this
While it might be unsightly, I would see if you can install some surface-mount conduit. It's not pretty, but it would let you feed wires safely overhead to your island. You simply wire it into an existing outlet along the wall.
To get the power down from the ceiling, you install a commonly available extension cord reel.
Installed properly, you can always remove the conduit should you tire of this
answered 8 hours ago
Machavity
6,53511634
6,53511634
A retractable outlet on some kind of takeup reel, at the ceiling might work. Something like a retractable garden hose reel. Would be ideal if the line-socket could move up and out of eye-line but remain in reach.
– Criggie
8 hours ago
They make retractable outlets but now we are talking really ugly or the ones I have seen are.
– Ed Beal
6 hours ago
add a comment |
A retractable outlet on some kind of takeup reel, at the ceiling might work. Something like a retractable garden hose reel. Would be ideal if the line-socket could move up and out of eye-line but remain in reach.
– Criggie
8 hours ago
They make retractable outlets but now we are talking really ugly or the ones I have seen are.
– Ed Beal
6 hours ago
A retractable outlet on some kind of takeup reel, at the ceiling might work. Something like a retractable garden hose reel. Would be ideal if the line-socket could move up and out of eye-line but remain in reach.
– Criggie
8 hours ago
A retractable outlet on some kind of takeup reel, at the ceiling might work. Something like a retractable garden hose reel. Would be ideal if the line-socket could move up and out of eye-line but remain in reach.
– Criggie
8 hours ago
They make retractable outlets but now we are talking really ugly or the ones I have seen are.
– Ed Beal
6 hours ago
They make retractable outlets but now we are talking really ugly or the ones I have seen are.
– Ed Beal
6 hours ago
add a comment |
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Hello, and welcome to Home Improvement. So, you're thinking to have a hanging light, screw in an outlet adaptor, and then plug your kitchen tools into the adaptor? I'm reeeeally dubious about that...
– Daniel Griscom
12 hours ago
4
I would think it would be preferable to install an outlet in the floor under the island. You could mount a power strip in the island and plug it into the floor. I guess it depends how often you would be moving the island and if you care what the floor looks like under it.
– Jerrad
10 hours ago
1
Can you provide a bit more detail of your plans? Is your intention to have an island in your kitchen that you can put in the middle, or move out of the way; or is the island intended to be used in different kitchens? What type of electrical appliances would you like to use in/on the island? And more information like that; it will help us properly assess your needs and identify a good solution.
– marcelm
5 hours ago