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While studying calculus, I encountered the following statement:
"Given a function $f(x)$ with $f'(x_0)neq 0$, such that $f$ has an inverse in some neighborhood of $x_0$, and such that $f$ is continuous on said neighborhood, then $f^{-1}$ has a derivative at $f(x_0)$ given by:
$${f^{-1}}'(x_0)=frac{1}{f'(x_0)}$$



My questions is - why does $f$ have to be continuous on a whole neighborhood of $x_0$ and not just at $x_0$? Is there some known counter-example for that?










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While studying calculus, I encountered the following statement:
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$${f^{-1}}'(x_0)=frac{1}{f'(x_0)}$$



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While studying calculus, I encountered the following statement:
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$${f^{-1}}'(x_0)=frac{1}{f'(x_0)}$$



My questions is - why does $f$ have to be continuous on a whole neighborhood of $x_0$ and not just at $x_0$? Is there some known counter-example for that?










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While studying calculus, I encountered the following statement:
"Given a function $f(x)$ with $f'(x_0)neq 0$, such that $f$ has an inverse in some neighborhood of $x_0$, and such that $f$ is continuous on said neighborhood, then $f^{-1}$ has a derivative at $f(x_0)$ given by:
$${f^{-1}}'(x_0)=frac{1}{f'(x_0)}$$



My questions is - why does $f$ have to be continuous on a whole neighborhood of $x_0$ and not just at $x_0$? Is there some known counter-example for that?







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The suggestion in the title isn't how it'll work. Instead of having an inverse that doesn't have a derivative, we'll fail to have a continuous inverse. Also, the required condition for the theorem isn't just that $f$ is continuous on an interval - it's that $f'$ is continuous on an interval around the key point.



Example: $f(x)=begin{cases}x+2x^2sinfrac 1x&xneq 0\0&x = 0end{cases}$.
This $f$ is differentiable everywhere, with derivative $1$ at zero, but it doesn't have an inverse in any neighborhood of zero. Why? Because it isn't monotone on any neighborhood of zero. We have $f'(x)=1+4xsinfrac1x-2cosfrac1x$ for $xneq 0$, which is negative whenever $frac1xequiv 0mod 2pi$. We can find a one-sided inverse $g$ with $f(g(x))=x$, but this $g$ will necessarily have infinitely many jump discontinuities near zero.



The calculation of the derivative of $f^{-1}$ is just an application of the chain rule. The real meat of the inverse function theorem is the existence of a differentiable inverse.






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First off, any function has an inverse "at $x_0$" because we just assign $f(x_0)$ the value $x_0$; it's really meaningless to talk at an inverse existing at a point. We need a whole neighbourhood because then we can use the derivative, which is defined by a limit, so we must be able to "approach" $x_0$ arbitarily closely.






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    The continuity condition is not necessary. It's enough that $f$ be injective on some neighborhood. This said, if your function has a sequence of jump discontinuities near $x_0$, you might have that there is no open interval $U$ around $x_0$ for which $f(U)$ is also an interval. This means that $f^{-1}$ might be defined on a strange domain, though we can still technically differentiate it to get the desired result.





    Formally, the statement you would need to prove is the following:




    Let $A$ and $B$ be subsets of $mathbb R$ and $f:Arightarrow B$ and $g:Brightarrow mathbb R$. Suppose that $x_0in A$ is an accumulation point of $A$ and $f(x_0)$ is an accumulation point of $B$. Then,




    • If two of the derivatives $f'(x_0)$ and $g'(f(x_0))$ and $(fcirc g)'(x_0)$ exist and are non-zero, the third exists as well.


    • If all of the derivatives exist, then $(fcirc g)'(x_0)=f'(x_0)cdot g'(f(x_0)).$





    One you have this statement, you can apply it to a pair where we take $g=f^{-1}$. Note that we can make this work even if $f$ isn't defined on an interval around $x_0$ - it's okay as long as we have enough points to define the relevant limit towards $x_0$.



    Granted, it is a bit unusual to talk about derivatives on sets that aren't open, but there's no technical limitations preventing it, though the proof of the suggested lemma is a pain.






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      I think that as long as $f^{-1}$ is well-defined on a neighborhood of $f(x_0)$, and continuous at $f(x_0)$, there is no issue.



      Indeed, $f(f^{-1}(f(x_0)+h))=f(x_0)+h$ so $h=f(f^{-1}(f(x_0)+h))-f(x_0) sim f’(x_0)(f^{-1}(f(x_0)+h)-x_0)$, and the conclusion (of differentiability and value of the derivative) follows.






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        The suggestion in the title isn't how it'll work. Instead of having an inverse that doesn't have a derivative, we'll fail to have a continuous inverse. Also, the required condition for the theorem isn't just that $f$ is continuous on an interval - it's that $f'$ is continuous on an interval around the key point.



        Example: $f(x)=begin{cases}x+2x^2sinfrac 1x&xneq 0\0&x = 0end{cases}$.
        This $f$ is differentiable everywhere, with derivative $1$ at zero, but it doesn't have an inverse in any neighborhood of zero. Why? Because it isn't monotone on any neighborhood of zero. We have $f'(x)=1+4xsinfrac1x-2cosfrac1x$ for $xneq 0$, which is negative whenever $frac1xequiv 0mod 2pi$. We can find a one-sided inverse $g$ with $f(g(x))=x$, but this $g$ will necessarily have infinitely many jump discontinuities near zero.



        The calculation of the derivative of $f^{-1}$ is just an application of the chain rule. The real meat of the inverse function theorem is the existence of a differentiable inverse.






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        The suggestion in the title isn't how it'll work. Instead of having an inverse that doesn't have a derivative, we'll fail to have a continuous inverse. Also, the required condition for the theorem isn't just that $f$ is continuous on an interval - it's that $f'$ is continuous on an interval around the key point.



        Example: $f(x)=begin{cases}x+2x^2sinfrac 1x&xneq 0\0&x = 0end{cases}$.
        This $f$ is differentiable everywhere, with derivative $1$ at zero, but it doesn't have an inverse in any neighborhood of zero. Why? Because it isn't monotone on any neighborhood of zero. We have $f'(x)=1+4xsinfrac1x-2cosfrac1x$ for $xneq 0$, which is negative whenever $frac1xequiv 0mod 2pi$. We can find a one-sided inverse $g$ with $f(g(x))=x$, but this $g$ will necessarily have infinitely many jump discontinuities near zero.



        The calculation of the derivative of $f^{-1}$ is just an application of the chain rule. The real meat of the inverse function theorem is the existence of a differentiable inverse.






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        The suggestion in the title isn't how it'll work. Instead of having an inverse that doesn't have a derivative, we'll fail to have a continuous inverse. Also, the required condition for the theorem isn't just that $f$ is continuous on an interval - it's that $f'$ is continuous on an interval around the key point.



        Example: $f(x)=begin{cases}x+2x^2sinfrac 1x&xneq 0\0&x = 0end{cases}$.
        This $f$ is differentiable everywhere, with derivative $1$ at zero, but it doesn't have an inverse in any neighborhood of zero. Why? Because it isn't monotone on any neighborhood of zero. We have $f'(x)=1+4xsinfrac1x-2cosfrac1x$ for $xneq 0$, which is negative whenever $frac1xequiv 0mod 2pi$. We can find a one-sided inverse $g$ with $f(g(x))=x$, but this $g$ will necessarily have infinitely many jump discontinuities near zero.



        The calculation of the derivative of $f^{-1}$ is just an application of the chain rule. The real meat of the inverse function theorem is the existence of a differentiable inverse.






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        The suggestion in the title isn't how it'll work. Instead of having an inverse that doesn't have a derivative, we'll fail to have a continuous inverse. Also, the required condition for the theorem isn't just that $f$ is continuous on an interval - it's that $f'$ is continuous on an interval around the key point.



        Example: $f(x)=begin{cases}x+2x^2sinfrac 1x&xneq 0\0&x = 0end{cases}$.
        This $f$ is differentiable everywhere, with derivative $1$ at zero, but it doesn't have an inverse in any neighborhood of zero. Why? Because it isn't monotone on any neighborhood of zero. We have $f'(x)=1+4xsinfrac1x-2cosfrac1x$ for $xneq 0$, which is negative whenever $frac1xequiv 0mod 2pi$. We can find a one-sided inverse $g$ with $f(g(x))=x$, but this $g$ will necessarily have infinitely many jump discontinuities near zero.



        The calculation of the derivative of $f^{-1}$ is just an application of the chain rule. The real meat of the inverse function theorem is the existence of a differentiable inverse.







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        First off, any function has an inverse "at $x_0$" because we just assign $f(x_0)$ the value $x_0$; it's really meaningless to talk at an inverse existing at a point. We need a whole neighbourhood because then we can use the derivative, which is defined by a limit, so we must be able to "approach" $x_0$ arbitarily closely.






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          First off, any function has an inverse "at $x_0$" because we just assign $f(x_0)$ the value $x_0$; it's really meaningless to talk at an inverse existing at a point. We need a whole neighbourhood because then we can use the derivative, which is defined by a limit, so we must be able to "approach" $x_0$ arbitarily closely.






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            First off, any function has an inverse "at $x_0$" because we just assign $f(x_0)$ the value $x_0$; it's really meaningless to talk at an inverse existing at a point. We need a whole neighbourhood because then we can use the derivative, which is defined by a limit, so we must be able to "approach" $x_0$ arbitarily closely.






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            First off, any function has an inverse "at $x_0$" because we just assign $f(x_0)$ the value $x_0$; it's really meaningless to talk at an inverse existing at a point. We need a whole neighbourhood because then we can use the derivative, which is defined by a limit, so we must be able to "approach" $x_0$ arbitarily closely.







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                The continuity condition is not necessary. It's enough that $f$ be injective on some neighborhood. This said, if your function has a sequence of jump discontinuities near $x_0$, you might have that there is no open interval $U$ around $x_0$ for which $f(U)$ is also an interval. This means that $f^{-1}$ might be defined on a strange domain, though we can still technically differentiate it to get the desired result.





                Formally, the statement you would need to prove is the following:




                Let $A$ and $B$ be subsets of $mathbb R$ and $f:Arightarrow B$ and $g:Brightarrow mathbb R$. Suppose that $x_0in A$ is an accumulation point of $A$ and $f(x_0)$ is an accumulation point of $B$. Then,




                • If two of the derivatives $f'(x_0)$ and $g'(f(x_0))$ and $(fcirc g)'(x_0)$ exist and are non-zero, the third exists as well.


                • If all of the derivatives exist, then $(fcirc g)'(x_0)=f'(x_0)cdot g'(f(x_0)).$





                One you have this statement, you can apply it to a pair where we take $g=f^{-1}$. Note that we can make this work even if $f$ isn't defined on an interval around $x_0$ - it's okay as long as we have enough points to define the relevant limit towards $x_0$.



                Granted, it is a bit unusual to talk about derivatives on sets that aren't open, but there's no technical limitations preventing it, though the proof of the suggested lemma is a pain.






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                  The continuity condition is not necessary. It's enough that $f$ be injective on some neighborhood. This said, if your function has a sequence of jump discontinuities near $x_0$, you might have that there is no open interval $U$ around $x_0$ for which $f(U)$ is also an interval. This means that $f^{-1}$ might be defined on a strange domain, though we can still technically differentiate it to get the desired result.





                  Formally, the statement you would need to prove is the following:




                  Let $A$ and $B$ be subsets of $mathbb R$ and $f:Arightarrow B$ and $g:Brightarrow mathbb R$. Suppose that $x_0in A$ is an accumulation point of $A$ and $f(x_0)$ is an accumulation point of $B$. Then,




                  • If two of the derivatives $f'(x_0)$ and $g'(f(x_0))$ and $(fcirc g)'(x_0)$ exist and are non-zero, the third exists as well.


                  • If all of the derivatives exist, then $(fcirc g)'(x_0)=f'(x_0)cdot g'(f(x_0)).$





                  One you have this statement, you can apply it to a pair where we take $g=f^{-1}$. Note that we can make this work even if $f$ isn't defined on an interval around $x_0$ - it's okay as long as we have enough points to define the relevant limit towards $x_0$.



                  Granted, it is a bit unusual to talk about derivatives on sets that aren't open, but there's no technical limitations preventing it, though the proof of the suggested lemma is a pain.






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                    The continuity condition is not necessary. It's enough that $f$ be injective on some neighborhood. This said, if your function has a sequence of jump discontinuities near $x_0$, you might have that there is no open interval $U$ around $x_0$ for which $f(U)$ is also an interval. This means that $f^{-1}$ might be defined on a strange domain, though we can still technically differentiate it to get the desired result.





                    Formally, the statement you would need to prove is the following:




                    Let $A$ and $B$ be subsets of $mathbb R$ and $f:Arightarrow B$ and $g:Brightarrow mathbb R$. Suppose that $x_0in A$ is an accumulation point of $A$ and $f(x_0)$ is an accumulation point of $B$. Then,




                    • If two of the derivatives $f'(x_0)$ and $g'(f(x_0))$ and $(fcirc g)'(x_0)$ exist and are non-zero, the third exists as well.


                    • If all of the derivatives exist, then $(fcirc g)'(x_0)=f'(x_0)cdot g'(f(x_0)).$





                    One you have this statement, you can apply it to a pair where we take $g=f^{-1}$. Note that we can make this work even if $f$ isn't defined on an interval around $x_0$ - it's okay as long as we have enough points to define the relevant limit towards $x_0$.



                    Granted, it is a bit unusual to talk about derivatives on sets that aren't open, but there's no technical limitations preventing it, though the proof of the suggested lemma is a pain.






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                    The continuity condition is not necessary. It's enough that $f$ be injective on some neighborhood. This said, if your function has a sequence of jump discontinuities near $x_0$, you might have that there is no open interval $U$ around $x_0$ for which $f(U)$ is also an interval. This means that $f^{-1}$ might be defined on a strange domain, though we can still technically differentiate it to get the desired result.





                    Formally, the statement you would need to prove is the following:




                    Let $A$ and $B$ be subsets of $mathbb R$ and $f:Arightarrow B$ and $g:Brightarrow mathbb R$. Suppose that $x_0in A$ is an accumulation point of $A$ and $f(x_0)$ is an accumulation point of $B$. Then,




                    • If two of the derivatives $f'(x_0)$ and $g'(f(x_0))$ and $(fcirc g)'(x_0)$ exist and are non-zero, the third exists as well.


                    • If all of the derivatives exist, then $(fcirc g)'(x_0)=f'(x_0)cdot g'(f(x_0)).$





                    One you have this statement, you can apply it to a pair where we take $g=f^{-1}$. Note that we can make this work even if $f$ isn't defined on an interval around $x_0$ - it's okay as long as we have enough points to define the relevant limit towards $x_0$.



                    Granted, it is a bit unusual to talk about derivatives on sets that aren't open, but there's no technical limitations preventing it, though the proof of the suggested lemma is a pain.







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                        I think that as long as $f^{-1}$ is well-defined on a neighborhood of $f(x_0)$, and continuous at $f(x_0)$, there is no issue.



                        Indeed, $f(f^{-1}(f(x_0)+h))=f(x_0)+h$ so $h=f(f^{-1}(f(x_0)+h))-f(x_0) sim f’(x_0)(f^{-1}(f(x_0)+h)-x_0)$, and the conclusion (of differentiability and value of the derivative) follows.






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                          I think that as long as $f^{-1}$ is well-defined on a neighborhood of $f(x_0)$, and continuous at $f(x_0)$, there is no issue.



                          Indeed, $f(f^{-1}(f(x_0)+h))=f(x_0)+h$ so $h=f(f^{-1}(f(x_0)+h))-f(x_0) sim f’(x_0)(f^{-1}(f(x_0)+h)-x_0)$, and the conclusion (of differentiability and value of the derivative) follows.






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                            I think that as long as $f^{-1}$ is well-defined on a neighborhood of $f(x_0)$, and continuous at $f(x_0)$, there is no issue.



                            Indeed, $f(f^{-1}(f(x_0)+h))=f(x_0)+h$ so $h=f(f^{-1}(f(x_0)+h))-f(x_0) sim f’(x_0)(f^{-1}(f(x_0)+h)-x_0)$, and the conclusion (of differentiability and value of the derivative) follows.






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                            I think that as long as $f^{-1}$ is well-defined on a neighborhood of $f(x_0)$, and continuous at $f(x_0)$, there is no issue.



                            Indeed, $f(f^{-1}(f(x_0)+h))=f(x_0)+h$ so $h=f(f^{-1}(f(x_0)+h))-f(x_0) sim f’(x_0)(f^{-1}(f(x_0)+h)-x_0)$, and the conclusion (of differentiability and value of the derivative) follows.







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