Nested homeomorphic sets
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Suppose we have a countable collection of sets ${U_n}$ such that $U_nsubset U_{n+1}$ for each $n$ and $U_n$ is homeomorphic to $mathbb{R}$ (or more generally, $X$) for each $n$, then is $bigcup_{n=1}^infty U_n$ homeomorphic to $mathbb{R}$ (or $X$)? I am not sure pushing $n$ to $infty$ works and I couldn't construct an explicit homeomorphism. Thanks!
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Suppose we have a countable collection of sets ${U_n}$ such that $U_nsubset U_{n+1}$ for each $n$ and $U_n$ is homeomorphic to $mathbb{R}$ (or more generally, $X$) for each $n$, then is $bigcup_{n=1}^infty U_n$ homeomorphic to $mathbb{R}$ (or $X$)? I am not sure pushing $n$ to $infty$ works and I couldn't construct an explicit homeomorphism. Thanks!
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Try $U_n=[0,n]$.
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Suppose we have a countable collection of sets ${U_n}$ such that $U_nsubset U_{n+1}$ for each $n$ and $U_n$ is homeomorphic to $mathbb{R}$ (or more generally, $X$) for each $n$, then is $bigcup_{n=1}^infty U_n$ homeomorphic to $mathbb{R}$ (or $X$)? I am not sure pushing $n$ to $infty$ works and I couldn't construct an explicit homeomorphism. Thanks!
general-topology
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Suppose we have a countable collection of sets ${U_n}$ such that $U_nsubset U_{n+1}$ for each $n$ and $U_n$ is homeomorphic to $mathbb{R}$ (or more generally, $X$) for each $n$, then is $bigcup_{n=1}^infty U_n$ homeomorphic to $mathbb{R}$ (or $X$)? I am not sure pushing $n$ to $infty$ works and I couldn't construct an explicit homeomorphism. Thanks!
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Try $U_n=[0,n]$.
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Try $U_n=[0,n]$.
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Try $U_n=[0,n]$.
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Let $$U_i = {e^{2pi i theta} -1 mid theta in [0,1-1/i)} cup {e^{2pi i theta} +1 mid theta in [1/2, 3/2-1/i)}.$$
Then every $U_i$ is a subset of the union of two circles that are glued together at a single point at the origin and is homeomorphic to $mathbb{R}$. The union $bigcup_i geq 1$ is equal to the union of the two circles.
Here's a simpler example for $Xcong [0,1)$ using the same idea. Let $$U_i = {e^{2pi itheta} mid theta in [0,1-1/i)}.$$
Then $U_i cong [0,1)$ for all $i geq 1$, but $bigcup_{i geq 1} U_i = S^1$.
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I think this would be a better example if you simply gave your solution to the $mathbb R$ case (without the "wedge" language, which people may not understand).
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– zhw.
46 mins ago
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Or you could simply take $U_n=[-n,n)$ and $bigcup_nU_n=mathbb R.$ But I'm surprised that you can do the same thing for $Xcongmathbb R$. Could you please give an explanation for dummies?
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– bof
39 mins ago
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@zhw. thanks for the suggestion. Hopefully the edit is a bit easier to read (unfortunately, it's not too easy to write the $U_i$s in a very simple way without talking about gluing/wedges).
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– Dan Rust
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Oh, right. Or $U_n={t:-2lt tle1}cup{e^{it}:0le tltpi-frac1n}$. By the way, you are using the letter $i$ for two different things.
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For $X=Bbb R$, it's homeomorphic with any open interval, and $U_nsubseteq U_{n+1}$ implies here that $U_n$ is a subinterval.
Thus, we can choose decreasing $a_n$ and increasing $b_n$ such that $U_n$ is homeomorphically mapped to $(a_n, b_n)$.
Then, $cup_nU_n$ will be homeomorphic with $(inf a_n, sup b_n) $.
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This does not appear to answer the question.
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– Dan Rust
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Let $$U_i = {e^{2pi i theta} -1 mid theta in [0,1-1/i)} cup {e^{2pi i theta} +1 mid theta in [1/2, 3/2-1/i)}.$$
Then every $U_i$ is a subset of the union of two circles that are glued together at a single point at the origin and is homeomorphic to $mathbb{R}$. The union $bigcup_i geq 1$ is equal to the union of the two circles.
Here's a simpler example for $Xcong [0,1)$ using the same idea. Let $$U_i = {e^{2pi itheta} mid theta in [0,1-1/i)}.$$
Then $U_i cong [0,1)$ for all $i geq 1$, but $bigcup_{i geq 1} U_i = S^1$.
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I think this would be a better example if you simply gave your solution to the $mathbb R$ case (without the "wedge" language, which people may not understand).
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– zhw.
46 mins ago
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Or you could simply take $U_n=[-n,n)$ and $bigcup_nU_n=mathbb R.$ But I'm surprised that you can do the same thing for $Xcongmathbb R$. Could you please give an explanation for dummies?
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– bof
39 mins ago
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@zhw. thanks for the suggestion. Hopefully the edit is a bit easier to read (unfortunately, it's not too easy to write the $U_i$s in a very simple way without talking about gluing/wedges).
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– Dan Rust
38 mins ago
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Oh, right. Or $U_n={t:-2lt tle1}cup{e^{it}:0le tltpi-frac1n}$. By the way, you are using the letter $i$ for two different things.
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– bof
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Let $$U_i = {e^{2pi i theta} -1 mid theta in [0,1-1/i)} cup {e^{2pi i theta} +1 mid theta in [1/2, 3/2-1/i)}.$$
Then every $U_i$ is a subset of the union of two circles that are glued together at a single point at the origin and is homeomorphic to $mathbb{R}$. The union $bigcup_i geq 1$ is equal to the union of the two circles.
Here's a simpler example for $Xcong [0,1)$ using the same idea. Let $$U_i = {e^{2pi itheta} mid theta in [0,1-1/i)}.$$
Then $U_i cong [0,1)$ for all $i geq 1$, but $bigcup_{i geq 1} U_i = S^1$.
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1
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I think this would be a better example if you simply gave your solution to the $mathbb R$ case (without the "wedge" language, which people may not understand).
$endgroup$
– zhw.
46 mins ago
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Or you could simply take $U_n=[-n,n)$ and $bigcup_nU_n=mathbb R.$ But I'm surprised that you can do the same thing for $Xcongmathbb R$. Could you please give an explanation for dummies?
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– bof
39 mins ago
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@zhw. thanks for the suggestion. Hopefully the edit is a bit easier to read (unfortunately, it's not too easy to write the $U_i$s in a very simple way without talking about gluing/wedges).
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– Dan Rust
38 mins ago
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Oh, right. Or $U_n={t:-2lt tle1}cup{e^{it}:0le tltpi-frac1n}$. By the way, you are using the letter $i$ for two different things.
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– bof
13 mins ago
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Let $$U_i = {e^{2pi i theta} -1 mid theta in [0,1-1/i)} cup {e^{2pi i theta} +1 mid theta in [1/2, 3/2-1/i)}.$$
Then every $U_i$ is a subset of the union of two circles that are glued together at a single point at the origin and is homeomorphic to $mathbb{R}$. The union $bigcup_i geq 1$ is equal to the union of the two circles.
Here's a simpler example for $Xcong [0,1)$ using the same idea. Let $$U_i = {e^{2pi itheta} mid theta in [0,1-1/i)}.$$
Then $U_i cong [0,1)$ for all $i geq 1$, but $bigcup_{i geq 1} U_i = S^1$.
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Let $$U_i = {e^{2pi i theta} -1 mid theta in [0,1-1/i)} cup {e^{2pi i theta} +1 mid theta in [1/2, 3/2-1/i)}.$$
Then every $U_i$ is a subset of the union of two circles that are glued together at a single point at the origin and is homeomorphic to $mathbb{R}$. The union $bigcup_i geq 1$ is equal to the union of the two circles.
Here's a simpler example for $Xcong [0,1)$ using the same idea. Let $$U_i = {e^{2pi itheta} mid theta in [0,1-1/i)}.$$
Then $U_i cong [0,1)$ for all $i geq 1$, but $bigcup_{i geq 1} U_i = S^1$.
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I think this would be a better example if you simply gave your solution to the $mathbb R$ case (without the "wedge" language, which people may not understand).
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– zhw.
46 mins ago
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Or you could simply take $U_n=[-n,n)$ and $bigcup_nU_n=mathbb R.$ But I'm surprised that you can do the same thing for $Xcongmathbb R$. Could you please give an explanation for dummies?
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– bof
39 mins ago
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@zhw. thanks for the suggestion. Hopefully the edit is a bit easier to read (unfortunately, it's not too easy to write the $U_i$s in a very simple way without talking about gluing/wedges).
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– Dan Rust
38 mins ago
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Oh, right. Or $U_n={t:-2lt tle1}cup{e^{it}:0le tltpi-frac1n}$. By the way, you are using the letter $i$ for two different things.
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– bof
13 mins ago
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1
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I think this would be a better example if you simply gave your solution to the $mathbb R$ case (without the "wedge" language, which people may not understand).
$endgroup$
– zhw.
46 mins ago
$begingroup$
Or you could simply take $U_n=[-n,n)$ and $bigcup_nU_n=mathbb R.$ But I'm surprised that you can do the same thing for $Xcongmathbb R$. Could you please give an explanation for dummies?
$endgroup$
– bof
39 mins ago
$begingroup$
@zhw. thanks for the suggestion. Hopefully the edit is a bit easier to read (unfortunately, it's not too easy to write the $U_i$s in a very simple way without talking about gluing/wedges).
$endgroup$
– Dan Rust
38 mins ago
$begingroup$
Oh, right. Or $U_n={t:-2lt tle1}cup{e^{it}:0le tltpi-frac1n}$. By the way, you are using the letter $i$ for two different things.
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– bof
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I think this would be a better example if you simply gave your solution to the $mathbb R$ case (without the "wedge" language, which people may not understand).
$endgroup$
– zhw.
46 mins ago
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I think this would be a better example if you simply gave your solution to the $mathbb R$ case (without the "wedge" language, which people may not understand).
$endgroup$
– zhw.
46 mins ago
$begingroup$
Or you could simply take $U_n=[-n,n)$ and $bigcup_nU_n=mathbb R.$ But I'm surprised that you can do the same thing for $Xcongmathbb R$. Could you please give an explanation for dummies?
$endgroup$
– bof
39 mins ago
$begingroup$
Or you could simply take $U_n=[-n,n)$ and $bigcup_nU_n=mathbb R.$ But I'm surprised that you can do the same thing for $Xcongmathbb R$. Could you please give an explanation for dummies?
$endgroup$
– bof
39 mins ago
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@zhw. thanks for the suggestion. Hopefully the edit is a bit easier to read (unfortunately, it's not too easy to write the $U_i$s in a very simple way without talking about gluing/wedges).
$endgroup$
– Dan Rust
38 mins ago
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@zhw. thanks for the suggestion. Hopefully the edit is a bit easier to read (unfortunately, it's not too easy to write the $U_i$s in a very simple way without talking about gluing/wedges).
$endgroup$
– Dan Rust
38 mins ago
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Oh, right. Or $U_n={t:-2lt tle1}cup{e^{it}:0le tltpi-frac1n}$. By the way, you are using the letter $i$ for two different things.
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– bof
13 mins ago
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Oh, right. Or $U_n={t:-2lt tle1}cup{e^{it}:0le tltpi-frac1n}$. By the way, you are using the letter $i$ for two different things.
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– bof
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For $X=Bbb R$, it's homeomorphic with any open interval, and $U_nsubseteq U_{n+1}$ implies here that $U_n$ is a subinterval.
Thus, we can choose decreasing $a_n$ and increasing $b_n$ such that $U_n$ is homeomorphically mapped to $(a_n, b_n)$.
Then, $cup_nU_n$ will be homeomorphic with $(inf a_n, sup b_n) $.
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This does not appear to answer the question.
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– Dan Rust
1 hour ago
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Your edit has not changed much.
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For $X=Bbb R$, it's homeomorphic with any open interval, and $U_nsubseteq U_{n+1}$ implies here that $U_n$ is a subinterval.
Thus, we can choose decreasing $a_n$ and increasing $b_n$ such that $U_n$ is homeomorphically mapped to $(a_n, b_n)$.
Then, $cup_nU_n$ will be homeomorphic with $(inf a_n, sup b_n) $.
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This does not appear to answer the question.
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– Dan Rust
1 hour ago
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Your edit has not changed much.
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– Dan Rust
1 hour ago
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For $X=Bbb R$, it's homeomorphic with any open interval, and $U_nsubseteq U_{n+1}$ implies here that $U_n$ is a subinterval.
Thus, we can choose decreasing $a_n$ and increasing $b_n$ such that $U_n$ is homeomorphically mapped to $(a_n, b_n)$.
Then, $cup_nU_n$ will be homeomorphic with $(inf a_n, sup b_n) $.
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For $X=Bbb R$, it's homeomorphic with any open interval, and $U_nsubseteq U_{n+1}$ implies here that $U_n$ is a subinterval.
Thus, we can choose decreasing $a_n$ and increasing $b_n$ such that $U_n$ is homeomorphically mapped to $(a_n, b_n)$.
Then, $cup_nU_n$ will be homeomorphic with $(inf a_n, sup b_n) $.
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Your edit has not changed much.
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This does not appear to answer the question.
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This does not appear to answer the question.
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