How do we create new idioms and use them in a novel?
I am not sure if people would agree, but I think because there were some authors who coined terms and idioms, anyone could create their own idioms. The questions is if there's a guideline, and if there's not what should be common rules our coined idioms should meet. Often idioms are rather simple and don't need any explanation. For example, "like a mad dog" can be understood easily, but what if I coined an idiom like "itching to raise my hind leg", which means "I need to go to the bathroom and take a leak"? Do you think there should be some sort of rules, and how do we go about introducing them in a novel?
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I am not sure if people would agree, but I think because there were some authors who coined terms and idioms, anyone could create their own idioms. The questions is if there's a guideline, and if there's not what should be common rules our coined idioms should meet. Often idioms are rather simple and don't need any explanation. For example, "like a mad dog" can be understood easily, but what if I coined an idiom like "itching to raise my hind leg", which means "I need to go to the bathroom and take a leak"? Do you think there should be some sort of rules, and how do we go about introducing them in a novel?
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"He suggested we could just talk out the issue with the people holding our sister for ransom. I'm itching to raise my hind leg on that idea."
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I am not sure if people would agree, but I think because there were some authors who coined terms and idioms, anyone could create their own idioms. The questions is if there's a guideline, and if there's not what should be common rules our coined idioms should meet. Often idioms are rather simple and don't need any explanation. For example, "like a mad dog" can be understood easily, but what if I coined an idiom like "itching to raise my hind leg", which means "I need to go to the bathroom and take a leak"? Do you think there should be some sort of rules, and how do we go about introducing them in a novel?
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I am not sure if people would agree, but I think because there were some authors who coined terms and idioms, anyone could create their own idioms. The questions is if there's a guideline, and if there's not what should be common rules our coined idioms should meet. Often idioms are rather simple and don't need any explanation. For example, "like a mad dog" can be understood easily, but what if I coined an idiom like "itching to raise my hind leg", which means "I need to go to the bathroom and take a leak"? Do you think there should be some sort of rules, and how do we go about introducing them in a novel?
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"He suggested we could just talk out the issue with the people holding our sister for ransom. I'm itching to raise my hind leg on that idea."
– Jedediah
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"He suggested we could just talk out the issue with the people holding our sister for ransom. I'm itching to raise my hind leg on that idea."
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"He suggested we could just talk out the issue with the people holding our sister for ransom. I'm itching to raise my hind leg on that idea."
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"He suggested we could just talk out the issue with the people holding our sister for ransom. I'm itching to raise my hind leg on that idea."
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Strictly speaking, something is not an idiom until it is in some degree of common use. One can invent a fictional society in which idioms unknown to our current society are in place. But until others adopt them, the kind of thing you mention is simply a figure of speech, in most cases a metaphor.
There are no hard-and-fast rules for coining a figure of speech. Normally you want it to be reasonably clear. If you have to explain it, it loses most of its value. Although it can be a form of characterization. That is, a character might use an obscure metaphor which a second character explains to a third. This shows us something about the first character, and perhaps about the others involved also.
Figures of speech can be used by characters in dialog, or in narrative or descriptive passages. In dialog, they should fit the character and the circumstances, that is, be something that it seems plausible that the character would say in those circumstances. In other passages, there should not be an overlly jarring contra st of style. But these are all judgement calls. In the end if it works in context, it is good.
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A successful idiom works for several reasons at the same time.
Often idioms are rather simple and don't need any explanation. For example, "like a mad dog" can be understood easily
This is a good observation. Therefore:
1. An idiom must be transparent (at least when it is initially adopted).
"My day went like clockwork." That is, everything meshed perfectly, as do the gears in a clock, which are perfectly machined to fit together - without any undue friction or hangups.
On the other hand, it's less transparent why you would wish an actor luck by bidding them to "break a leg." One source suggests that's inspired by a superstitious fear that it might be bad luck to explicitly say "Good luck."
2. A good idiom or saying must be well-proportioned to the emotional investment being put into it.
Euphemisms for urinating and/or defecating include "take a leak," "take a dump," "visit the loo," "nature calls," etc. They are usually fairly short. When excusing yourself to "go to the bathroom," you may dismiss it jokingly, but you also don't want to be saying something long and complicated when you're "hopping on one toe."
Compare, not exactly an idiom, but Jesus's phrasing when speaking of those who hurt / corrupt children: "...It were better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and that he were drowned in the depth of the sea." (Matthew 18:6) The subject is not a light and passing one, and the intensity of emotion may support a larger phrase, and a more complex image.
3. The phrase must be sufficiently humorous or evocative to bear repeating.
"Cement overshoes" is used and reused because the associated image is striking and memorable.
But what is or isn't evocative is the point where there isn't a pattern to follow anymore. To suggest someone "take a long walk off a short pier" is a silly and indirect way of saying "go jump in a lake," which is itself an idiom for "go away." On the other hand, "They took him for a long walk" sounds more ominous than humorous. At least, in the mindset brought on by talking about concrete overshoes, it sounds ominous.
There's not a good formula for memorable. But I would propose these three are the main things to make something believable as a fictional idiom, and maybe even capable of becoming a real-world idiom.
On the other hand, "Catch 22". (An arguably meaningless phrase, outside the context of a book I haven't read - but the idea attached is just so useful to be able to say. Because rule 0 is that an idiom must be a useful way to communicate something people want or need to communicate.)
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Strictly speaking, something is not an idiom until it is in some degree of common use. One can invent a fictional society in which idioms unknown to our current society are in place. But until others adopt them, the kind of thing you mention is simply a figure of speech, in most cases a metaphor.
There are no hard-and-fast rules for coining a figure of speech. Normally you want it to be reasonably clear. If you have to explain it, it loses most of its value. Although it can be a form of characterization. That is, a character might use an obscure metaphor which a second character explains to a third. This shows us something about the first character, and perhaps about the others involved also.
Figures of speech can be used by characters in dialog, or in narrative or descriptive passages. In dialog, they should fit the character and the circumstances, that is, be something that it seems plausible that the character would say in those circumstances. In other passages, there should not be an overlly jarring contra st of style. But these are all judgement calls. In the end if it works in context, it is good.
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Strictly speaking, something is not an idiom until it is in some degree of common use. One can invent a fictional society in which idioms unknown to our current society are in place. But until others adopt them, the kind of thing you mention is simply a figure of speech, in most cases a metaphor.
There are no hard-and-fast rules for coining a figure of speech. Normally you want it to be reasonably clear. If you have to explain it, it loses most of its value. Although it can be a form of characterization. That is, a character might use an obscure metaphor which a second character explains to a third. This shows us something about the first character, and perhaps about the others involved also.
Figures of speech can be used by characters in dialog, or in narrative or descriptive passages. In dialog, they should fit the character and the circumstances, that is, be something that it seems plausible that the character would say in those circumstances. In other passages, there should not be an overlly jarring contra st of style. But these are all judgement calls. In the end if it works in context, it is good.
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Strictly speaking, something is not an idiom until it is in some degree of common use. One can invent a fictional society in which idioms unknown to our current society are in place. But until others adopt them, the kind of thing you mention is simply a figure of speech, in most cases a metaphor.
There are no hard-and-fast rules for coining a figure of speech. Normally you want it to be reasonably clear. If you have to explain it, it loses most of its value. Although it can be a form of characterization. That is, a character might use an obscure metaphor which a second character explains to a third. This shows us something about the first character, and perhaps about the others involved also.
Figures of speech can be used by characters in dialog, or in narrative or descriptive passages. In dialog, they should fit the character and the circumstances, that is, be something that it seems plausible that the character would say in those circumstances. In other passages, there should not be an overlly jarring contra st of style. But these are all judgement calls. In the end if it works in context, it is good.
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Strictly speaking, something is not an idiom until it is in some degree of common use. One can invent a fictional society in which idioms unknown to our current society are in place. But until others adopt them, the kind of thing you mention is simply a figure of speech, in most cases a metaphor.
There are no hard-and-fast rules for coining a figure of speech. Normally you want it to be reasonably clear. If you have to explain it, it loses most of its value. Although it can be a form of characterization. That is, a character might use an obscure metaphor which a second character explains to a third. This shows us something about the first character, and perhaps about the others involved also.
Figures of speech can be used by characters in dialog, or in narrative or descriptive passages. In dialog, they should fit the character and the circumstances, that is, be something that it seems plausible that the character would say in those circumstances. In other passages, there should not be an overlly jarring contra st of style. But these are all judgement calls. In the end if it works in context, it is good.
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A successful idiom works for several reasons at the same time.
Often idioms are rather simple and don't need any explanation. For example, "like a mad dog" can be understood easily
This is a good observation. Therefore:
1. An idiom must be transparent (at least when it is initially adopted).
"My day went like clockwork." That is, everything meshed perfectly, as do the gears in a clock, which are perfectly machined to fit together - without any undue friction or hangups.
On the other hand, it's less transparent why you would wish an actor luck by bidding them to "break a leg." One source suggests that's inspired by a superstitious fear that it might be bad luck to explicitly say "Good luck."
2. A good idiom or saying must be well-proportioned to the emotional investment being put into it.
Euphemisms for urinating and/or defecating include "take a leak," "take a dump," "visit the loo," "nature calls," etc. They are usually fairly short. When excusing yourself to "go to the bathroom," you may dismiss it jokingly, but you also don't want to be saying something long and complicated when you're "hopping on one toe."
Compare, not exactly an idiom, but Jesus's phrasing when speaking of those who hurt / corrupt children: "...It were better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and that he were drowned in the depth of the sea." (Matthew 18:6) The subject is not a light and passing one, and the intensity of emotion may support a larger phrase, and a more complex image.
3. The phrase must be sufficiently humorous or evocative to bear repeating.
"Cement overshoes" is used and reused because the associated image is striking and memorable.
But what is or isn't evocative is the point where there isn't a pattern to follow anymore. To suggest someone "take a long walk off a short pier" is a silly and indirect way of saying "go jump in a lake," which is itself an idiom for "go away." On the other hand, "They took him for a long walk" sounds more ominous than humorous. At least, in the mindset brought on by talking about concrete overshoes, it sounds ominous.
There's not a good formula for memorable. But I would propose these three are the main things to make something believable as a fictional idiom, and maybe even capable of becoming a real-world idiom.
On the other hand, "Catch 22". (An arguably meaningless phrase, outside the context of a book I haven't read - but the idea attached is just so useful to be able to say. Because rule 0 is that an idiom must be a useful way to communicate something people want or need to communicate.)
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A successful idiom works for several reasons at the same time.
Often idioms are rather simple and don't need any explanation. For example, "like a mad dog" can be understood easily
This is a good observation. Therefore:
1. An idiom must be transparent (at least when it is initially adopted).
"My day went like clockwork." That is, everything meshed perfectly, as do the gears in a clock, which are perfectly machined to fit together - without any undue friction or hangups.
On the other hand, it's less transparent why you would wish an actor luck by bidding them to "break a leg." One source suggests that's inspired by a superstitious fear that it might be bad luck to explicitly say "Good luck."
2. A good idiom or saying must be well-proportioned to the emotional investment being put into it.
Euphemisms for urinating and/or defecating include "take a leak," "take a dump," "visit the loo," "nature calls," etc. They are usually fairly short. When excusing yourself to "go to the bathroom," you may dismiss it jokingly, but you also don't want to be saying something long and complicated when you're "hopping on one toe."
Compare, not exactly an idiom, but Jesus's phrasing when speaking of those who hurt / corrupt children: "...It were better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and that he were drowned in the depth of the sea." (Matthew 18:6) The subject is not a light and passing one, and the intensity of emotion may support a larger phrase, and a more complex image.
3. The phrase must be sufficiently humorous or evocative to bear repeating.
"Cement overshoes" is used and reused because the associated image is striking and memorable.
But what is or isn't evocative is the point where there isn't a pattern to follow anymore. To suggest someone "take a long walk off a short pier" is a silly and indirect way of saying "go jump in a lake," which is itself an idiom for "go away." On the other hand, "They took him for a long walk" sounds more ominous than humorous. At least, in the mindset brought on by talking about concrete overshoes, it sounds ominous.
There's not a good formula for memorable. But I would propose these three are the main things to make something believable as a fictional idiom, and maybe even capable of becoming a real-world idiom.
On the other hand, "Catch 22". (An arguably meaningless phrase, outside the context of a book I haven't read - but the idea attached is just so useful to be able to say. Because rule 0 is that an idiom must be a useful way to communicate something people want or need to communicate.)
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A successful idiom works for several reasons at the same time.
Often idioms are rather simple and don't need any explanation. For example, "like a mad dog" can be understood easily
This is a good observation. Therefore:
1. An idiom must be transparent (at least when it is initially adopted).
"My day went like clockwork." That is, everything meshed perfectly, as do the gears in a clock, which are perfectly machined to fit together - without any undue friction or hangups.
On the other hand, it's less transparent why you would wish an actor luck by bidding them to "break a leg." One source suggests that's inspired by a superstitious fear that it might be bad luck to explicitly say "Good luck."
2. A good idiom or saying must be well-proportioned to the emotional investment being put into it.
Euphemisms for urinating and/or defecating include "take a leak," "take a dump," "visit the loo," "nature calls," etc. They are usually fairly short. When excusing yourself to "go to the bathroom," you may dismiss it jokingly, but you also don't want to be saying something long and complicated when you're "hopping on one toe."
Compare, not exactly an idiom, but Jesus's phrasing when speaking of those who hurt / corrupt children: "...It were better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and that he were drowned in the depth of the sea." (Matthew 18:6) The subject is not a light and passing one, and the intensity of emotion may support a larger phrase, and a more complex image.
3. The phrase must be sufficiently humorous or evocative to bear repeating.
"Cement overshoes" is used and reused because the associated image is striking and memorable.
But what is or isn't evocative is the point where there isn't a pattern to follow anymore. To suggest someone "take a long walk off a short pier" is a silly and indirect way of saying "go jump in a lake," which is itself an idiom for "go away." On the other hand, "They took him for a long walk" sounds more ominous than humorous. At least, in the mindset brought on by talking about concrete overshoes, it sounds ominous.
There's not a good formula for memorable. But I would propose these three are the main things to make something believable as a fictional idiom, and maybe even capable of becoming a real-world idiom.
On the other hand, "Catch 22". (An arguably meaningless phrase, outside the context of a book I haven't read - but the idea attached is just so useful to be able to say. Because rule 0 is that an idiom must be a useful way to communicate something people want or need to communicate.)
A successful idiom works for several reasons at the same time.
Often idioms are rather simple and don't need any explanation. For example, "like a mad dog" can be understood easily
This is a good observation. Therefore:
1. An idiom must be transparent (at least when it is initially adopted).
"My day went like clockwork." That is, everything meshed perfectly, as do the gears in a clock, which are perfectly machined to fit together - without any undue friction or hangups.
On the other hand, it's less transparent why you would wish an actor luck by bidding them to "break a leg." One source suggests that's inspired by a superstitious fear that it might be bad luck to explicitly say "Good luck."
2. A good idiom or saying must be well-proportioned to the emotional investment being put into it.
Euphemisms for urinating and/or defecating include "take a leak," "take a dump," "visit the loo," "nature calls," etc. They are usually fairly short. When excusing yourself to "go to the bathroom," you may dismiss it jokingly, but you also don't want to be saying something long and complicated when you're "hopping on one toe."
Compare, not exactly an idiom, but Jesus's phrasing when speaking of those who hurt / corrupt children: "...It were better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and that he were drowned in the depth of the sea." (Matthew 18:6) The subject is not a light and passing one, and the intensity of emotion may support a larger phrase, and a more complex image.
3. The phrase must be sufficiently humorous or evocative to bear repeating.
"Cement overshoes" is used and reused because the associated image is striking and memorable.
But what is or isn't evocative is the point where there isn't a pattern to follow anymore. To suggest someone "take a long walk off a short pier" is a silly and indirect way of saying "go jump in a lake," which is itself an idiom for "go away." On the other hand, "They took him for a long walk" sounds more ominous than humorous. At least, in the mindset brought on by talking about concrete overshoes, it sounds ominous.
There's not a good formula for memorable. But I would propose these three are the main things to make something believable as a fictional idiom, and maybe even capable of becoming a real-world idiom.
On the other hand, "Catch 22". (An arguably meaningless phrase, outside the context of a book I haven't read - but the idea attached is just so useful to be able to say. Because rule 0 is that an idiom must be a useful way to communicate something people want or need to communicate.)
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"He suggested we could just talk out the issue with the people holding our sister for ransom. I'm itching to raise my hind leg on that idea."
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