Incompatiblity of Adobe font and xpinyin package?












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One of font package (i.e. Adobe Garamond Pro) is not compatible with vowels encoding using xpinyin package. Can I exclude these fonts?



documentclass[margin=10pt]{standalone}
usepackage{xeCJK,xpinyin}
setmainfont{Adobe Garamond Pro} %%problematic with pinyin
begin{document}
xpinyin*{学而不思则罔}
end{document}


enter image description here










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  • This is a just a MWE. I need the Adobe fonts! @Henri Menke

    – Tony Tan
    3 hours ago






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    I am assuming that you understand Chinese, so I will copy and paste the following description in the user manual of xpinyin: 设置拼音的字体,缺省值是 normalfont,即以正文西文字体相同。为了保证拼音能正确输出,最好选用收字量较大的西文字体, which roughly translates to The font for pīnyīn is the same as the Latin main font. To guarantee correct output of pīnyīn, better choose a Latin font which contains a lot of glyphs So clearly Adobe Garamond Pro is NOT suitable for pīnyīn here.

    – Ruixi Zhang
    2 hours ago








  • 1





    For a comprehensive discussion on pīnyīn, I suggest this article by Type is Beautiful. The article (in Chinese, simplified and traditional versions available) also gives suggestions on the font choice for pīnyīn.

    – Ruixi Zhang
    1 hour ago











  • @RuixiZhang Thank you for your information!

    – Tony Tan
    47 mins ago











  • @HenriMenke Deleting my answer: Huh. For whatever reason, when Adobe’s site gives me the ability to type in a font sample for Adobe Garamond Pro, and I enter that combination, it works. Is that a newer version of the font, or is the website giving inaccurate information?

    – Davislor
    10 mins ago
















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One of font package (i.e. Adobe Garamond Pro) is not compatible with vowels encoding using xpinyin package. Can I exclude these fonts?



documentclass[margin=10pt]{standalone}
usepackage{xeCJK,xpinyin}
setmainfont{Adobe Garamond Pro} %%problematic with pinyin
begin{document}
xpinyin*{学而不思则罔}
end{document}


enter image description here










share|improve this question























  • This is a just a MWE. I need the Adobe fonts! @Henri Menke

    – Tony Tan
    3 hours ago






  • 2





    I am assuming that you understand Chinese, so I will copy and paste the following description in the user manual of xpinyin: 设置拼音的字体,缺省值是 normalfont,即以正文西文字体相同。为了保证拼音能正确输出,最好选用收字量较大的西文字体, which roughly translates to The font for pīnyīn is the same as the Latin main font. To guarantee correct output of pīnyīn, better choose a Latin font which contains a lot of glyphs So clearly Adobe Garamond Pro is NOT suitable for pīnyīn here.

    – Ruixi Zhang
    2 hours ago








  • 1





    For a comprehensive discussion on pīnyīn, I suggest this article by Type is Beautiful. The article (in Chinese, simplified and traditional versions available) also gives suggestions on the font choice for pīnyīn.

    – Ruixi Zhang
    1 hour ago











  • @RuixiZhang Thank you for your information!

    – Tony Tan
    47 mins ago











  • @HenriMenke Deleting my answer: Huh. For whatever reason, when Adobe’s site gives me the ability to type in a font sample for Adobe Garamond Pro, and I enter that combination, it works. Is that a newer version of the font, or is the website giving inaccurate information?

    – Davislor
    10 mins ago














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One of font package (i.e. Adobe Garamond Pro) is not compatible with vowels encoding using xpinyin package. Can I exclude these fonts?



documentclass[margin=10pt]{standalone}
usepackage{xeCJK,xpinyin}
setmainfont{Adobe Garamond Pro} %%problematic with pinyin
begin{document}
xpinyin*{学而不思则罔}
end{document}


enter image description here










share|improve this question














One of font package (i.e. Adobe Garamond Pro) is not compatible with vowels encoding using xpinyin package. Can I exclude these fonts?



documentclass[margin=10pt]{standalone}
usepackage{xeCJK,xpinyin}
setmainfont{Adobe Garamond Pro} %%problematic with pinyin
begin{document}
xpinyin*{学而不思则罔}
end{document}


enter image description here







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  • This is a just a MWE. I need the Adobe fonts! @Henri Menke

    – Tony Tan
    3 hours ago






  • 2





    I am assuming that you understand Chinese, so I will copy and paste the following description in the user manual of xpinyin: 设置拼音的字体,缺省值是 normalfont,即以正文西文字体相同。为了保证拼音能正确输出,最好选用收字量较大的西文字体, which roughly translates to The font for pīnyīn is the same as the Latin main font. To guarantee correct output of pīnyīn, better choose a Latin font which contains a lot of glyphs So clearly Adobe Garamond Pro is NOT suitable for pīnyīn here.

    – Ruixi Zhang
    2 hours ago








  • 1





    For a comprehensive discussion on pīnyīn, I suggest this article by Type is Beautiful. The article (in Chinese, simplified and traditional versions available) also gives suggestions on the font choice for pīnyīn.

    – Ruixi Zhang
    1 hour ago











  • @RuixiZhang Thank you for your information!

    – Tony Tan
    47 mins ago











  • @HenriMenke Deleting my answer: Huh. For whatever reason, when Adobe’s site gives me the ability to type in a font sample for Adobe Garamond Pro, and I enter that combination, it works. Is that a newer version of the font, or is the website giving inaccurate information?

    – Davislor
    10 mins ago



















  • This is a just a MWE. I need the Adobe fonts! @Henri Menke

    – Tony Tan
    3 hours ago






  • 2





    I am assuming that you understand Chinese, so I will copy and paste the following description in the user manual of xpinyin: 设置拼音的字体,缺省值是 normalfont,即以正文西文字体相同。为了保证拼音能正确输出,最好选用收字量较大的西文字体, which roughly translates to The font for pīnyīn is the same as the Latin main font. To guarantee correct output of pīnyīn, better choose a Latin font which contains a lot of glyphs So clearly Adobe Garamond Pro is NOT suitable for pīnyīn here.

    – Ruixi Zhang
    2 hours ago








  • 1





    For a comprehensive discussion on pīnyīn, I suggest this article by Type is Beautiful. The article (in Chinese, simplified and traditional versions available) also gives suggestions on the font choice for pīnyīn.

    – Ruixi Zhang
    1 hour ago











  • @RuixiZhang Thank you for your information!

    – Tony Tan
    47 mins ago











  • @HenriMenke Deleting my answer: Huh. For whatever reason, when Adobe’s site gives me the ability to type in a font sample for Adobe Garamond Pro, and I enter that combination, it works. Is that a newer version of the font, or is the website giving inaccurate information?

    – Davislor
    10 mins ago

















This is a just a MWE. I need the Adobe fonts! @Henri Menke

– Tony Tan
3 hours ago





This is a just a MWE. I need the Adobe fonts! @Henri Menke

– Tony Tan
3 hours ago




2




2





I am assuming that you understand Chinese, so I will copy and paste the following description in the user manual of xpinyin: 设置拼音的字体,缺省值是 normalfont,即以正文西文字体相同。为了保证拼音能正确输出,最好选用收字量较大的西文字体, which roughly translates to The font for pīnyīn is the same as the Latin main font. To guarantee correct output of pīnyīn, better choose a Latin font which contains a lot of glyphs So clearly Adobe Garamond Pro is NOT suitable for pīnyīn here.

– Ruixi Zhang
2 hours ago







I am assuming that you understand Chinese, so I will copy and paste the following description in the user manual of xpinyin: 设置拼音的字体,缺省值是 normalfont,即以正文西文字体相同。为了保证拼音能正确输出,最好选用收字量较大的西文字体, which roughly translates to The font for pīnyīn is the same as the Latin main font. To guarantee correct output of pīnyīn, better choose a Latin font which contains a lot of glyphs So clearly Adobe Garamond Pro is NOT suitable for pīnyīn here.

– Ruixi Zhang
2 hours ago






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1





For a comprehensive discussion on pīnyīn, I suggest this article by Type is Beautiful. The article (in Chinese, simplified and traditional versions available) also gives suggestions on the font choice for pīnyīn.

– Ruixi Zhang
1 hour ago





For a comprehensive discussion on pīnyīn, I suggest this article by Type is Beautiful. The article (in Chinese, simplified and traditional versions available) also gives suggestions on the font choice for pīnyīn.

– Ruixi Zhang
1 hour ago













@RuixiZhang Thank you for your information!

– Tony Tan
47 mins ago





@RuixiZhang Thank you for your information!

– Tony Tan
47 mins ago













@HenriMenke Deleting my answer: Huh. For whatever reason, when Adobe’s site gives me the ability to type in a font sample for Adobe Garamond Pro, and I enter that combination, it works. Is that a newer version of the font, or is the website giving inaccurate information?

– Davislor
10 mins ago





@HenriMenke Deleting my answer: Huh. For whatever reason, when Adobe’s site gives me the ability to type in a font sample for Adobe Garamond Pro, and I enter that combination, it works. Is that a newer version of the font, or is the website giving inaccurate information?

– Davislor
10 mins ago










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Adobe Garamond does not encode ǎ (U+01CE LATIN SMALL LETTER A WITH CARON) and is also missing ̌ (U+030C COMBINING CARON). I can think of two solutions:





  1. Use a different font. There are plenty of nice Garamond-derived typefaces out there which do not have such spotty encoding (and are non-commercial!).



    documentclass[margin=10pt]{standalone}
    usepackage{xeCJK,xpinyin}
    setmainfont{EB Garamond}
    begin{document}
    xpinyin*{学而不思则罔}
    end{document}


    enter image description here



    documentclass[margin=10pt]{standalone}
    usepackage{xeCJK,xpinyin}
    setmainfont{Cormorant Garamond}
    begin{document}
    xpinyin*{学而不思则罔}
    end{document}


    enter image description here




  2. Remap ǎ (U+01CE LATIN SMALL LETTER A WITH CARON) to something else. Here I map it to just the regular a (U+0061 LATIN SMALL LETTER A). The mapping below is derived from the standard tex-text mapping.



    acaron.map



    LHSName "acaron"
    RHSName "a"
    pass(Unicode)
    ; replace acaron with a
    U+01CE > U+0061 ;
    ; ligatures from Knuth's original CMR fonts
    U+002D U+002D <> U+2013 ; -- -> en dash
    U+002D U+002D U+002D <> U+2014 ; --- -> em dash

    U+0027 <> U+2019 ; ' -> right single quote
    U+0027 U+0027 <> U+201D ; '' -> right double quote
    U+0022 > U+201D ; " -> right double quote

    U+0060 <> U+2018 ; ` -> left single quote
    U+0060 U+0060 <> U+201C ; `` -> left double quote

    U+0021 U+0060 <> U+00A1 ; !` -> inverted exclam
    U+003F U+0060 <> U+00BF ; ?` -> inverted question


    The I compile the mapping using the TECkit tool.



    teckit_compile -u acaron.map -o acaron.tec


    Afterwards it can be used in XeLaTeX.



    documentclass[margin=10pt]{standalone}
    usepackage{xeCJK,xpinyin}
    setmainfont[Mapping=acaron]{Adobe Garamond Pro}
    begin{document}
    xpinyin*{学而不思则罔}
    end{document}


    enter image description here



    You could also choose the mapping U+01CE > U+02C7 U+0061 ;, i.e. caron followed by a, which then renders as



    enter image description here



    That's not pretty but at least preserves the meaning.








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  • +1 for mentioning EB Garamond! However, as a native speaker, I disagree with the last solution with U+01CE > U+02C7 U+0061 ;. A more acceptable solution would be wang3 with the 3 denoting the tone, while wang (with only the regular a) would be utterly wrong. ;-)

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    1 hour ago













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Adobe Garamond does not encode ǎ (U+01CE LATIN SMALL LETTER A WITH CARON) and is also missing ̌ (U+030C COMBINING CARON). I can think of two solutions:





  1. Use a different font. There are plenty of nice Garamond-derived typefaces out there which do not have such spotty encoding (and are non-commercial!).



    documentclass[margin=10pt]{standalone}
    usepackage{xeCJK,xpinyin}
    setmainfont{EB Garamond}
    begin{document}
    xpinyin*{学而不思则罔}
    end{document}


    enter image description here



    documentclass[margin=10pt]{standalone}
    usepackage{xeCJK,xpinyin}
    setmainfont{Cormorant Garamond}
    begin{document}
    xpinyin*{学而不思则罔}
    end{document}


    enter image description here




  2. Remap ǎ (U+01CE LATIN SMALL LETTER A WITH CARON) to something else. Here I map it to just the regular a (U+0061 LATIN SMALL LETTER A). The mapping below is derived from the standard tex-text mapping.



    acaron.map



    LHSName "acaron"
    RHSName "a"
    pass(Unicode)
    ; replace acaron with a
    U+01CE > U+0061 ;
    ; ligatures from Knuth's original CMR fonts
    U+002D U+002D <> U+2013 ; -- -> en dash
    U+002D U+002D U+002D <> U+2014 ; --- -> em dash

    U+0027 <> U+2019 ; ' -> right single quote
    U+0027 U+0027 <> U+201D ; '' -> right double quote
    U+0022 > U+201D ; " -> right double quote

    U+0060 <> U+2018 ; ` -> left single quote
    U+0060 U+0060 <> U+201C ; `` -> left double quote

    U+0021 U+0060 <> U+00A1 ; !` -> inverted exclam
    U+003F U+0060 <> U+00BF ; ?` -> inverted question


    The I compile the mapping using the TECkit tool.



    teckit_compile -u acaron.map -o acaron.tec


    Afterwards it can be used in XeLaTeX.



    documentclass[margin=10pt]{standalone}
    usepackage{xeCJK,xpinyin}
    setmainfont[Mapping=acaron]{Adobe Garamond Pro}
    begin{document}
    xpinyin*{学而不思则罔}
    end{document}


    enter image description here



    You could also choose the mapping U+01CE > U+02C7 U+0061 ;, i.e. caron followed by a, which then renders as



    enter image description here



    That's not pretty but at least preserves the meaning.








share|improve this answer


























  • +1 for mentioning EB Garamond! However, as a native speaker, I disagree with the last solution with U+01CE > U+02C7 U+0061 ;. A more acceptable solution would be wang3 with the 3 denoting the tone, while wang (with only the regular a) would be utterly wrong. ;-)

    – Ruixi Zhang
    1 hour ago


















3














Adobe Garamond does not encode ǎ (U+01CE LATIN SMALL LETTER A WITH CARON) and is also missing ̌ (U+030C COMBINING CARON). I can think of two solutions:





  1. Use a different font. There are plenty of nice Garamond-derived typefaces out there which do not have such spotty encoding (and are non-commercial!).



    documentclass[margin=10pt]{standalone}
    usepackage{xeCJK,xpinyin}
    setmainfont{EB Garamond}
    begin{document}
    xpinyin*{学而不思则罔}
    end{document}


    enter image description here



    documentclass[margin=10pt]{standalone}
    usepackage{xeCJK,xpinyin}
    setmainfont{Cormorant Garamond}
    begin{document}
    xpinyin*{学而不思则罔}
    end{document}


    enter image description here




  2. Remap ǎ (U+01CE LATIN SMALL LETTER A WITH CARON) to something else. Here I map it to just the regular a (U+0061 LATIN SMALL LETTER A). The mapping below is derived from the standard tex-text mapping.



    acaron.map



    LHSName "acaron"
    RHSName "a"
    pass(Unicode)
    ; replace acaron with a
    U+01CE > U+0061 ;
    ; ligatures from Knuth's original CMR fonts
    U+002D U+002D <> U+2013 ; -- -> en dash
    U+002D U+002D U+002D <> U+2014 ; --- -> em dash

    U+0027 <> U+2019 ; ' -> right single quote
    U+0027 U+0027 <> U+201D ; '' -> right double quote
    U+0022 > U+201D ; " -> right double quote

    U+0060 <> U+2018 ; ` -> left single quote
    U+0060 U+0060 <> U+201C ; `` -> left double quote

    U+0021 U+0060 <> U+00A1 ; !` -> inverted exclam
    U+003F U+0060 <> U+00BF ; ?` -> inverted question


    The I compile the mapping using the TECkit tool.



    teckit_compile -u acaron.map -o acaron.tec


    Afterwards it can be used in XeLaTeX.



    documentclass[margin=10pt]{standalone}
    usepackage{xeCJK,xpinyin}
    setmainfont[Mapping=acaron]{Adobe Garamond Pro}
    begin{document}
    xpinyin*{学而不思则罔}
    end{document}


    enter image description here



    You could also choose the mapping U+01CE > U+02C7 U+0061 ;, i.e. caron followed by a, which then renders as



    enter image description here



    That's not pretty but at least preserves the meaning.








share|improve this answer


























  • +1 for mentioning EB Garamond! However, as a native speaker, I disagree with the last solution with U+01CE > U+02C7 U+0061 ;. A more acceptable solution would be wang3 with the 3 denoting the tone, while wang (with only the regular a) would be utterly wrong. ;-)

    – Ruixi Zhang
    1 hour ago
















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Adobe Garamond does not encode ǎ (U+01CE LATIN SMALL LETTER A WITH CARON) and is also missing ̌ (U+030C COMBINING CARON). I can think of two solutions:





  1. Use a different font. There are plenty of nice Garamond-derived typefaces out there which do not have such spotty encoding (and are non-commercial!).



    documentclass[margin=10pt]{standalone}
    usepackage{xeCJK,xpinyin}
    setmainfont{EB Garamond}
    begin{document}
    xpinyin*{学而不思则罔}
    end{document}


    enter image description here



    documentclass[margin=10pt]{standalone}
    usepackage{xeCJK,xpinyin}
    setmainfont{Cormorant Garamond}
    begin{document}
    xpinyin*{学而不思则罔}
    end{document}


    enter image description here




  2. Remap ǎ (U+01CE LATIN SMALL LETTER A WITH CARON) to something else. Here I map it to just the regular a (U+0061 LATIN SMALL LETTER A). The mapping below is derived from the standard tex-text mapping.



    acaron.map



    LHSName "acaron"
    RHSName "a"
    pass(Unicode)
    ; replace acaron with a
    U+01CE > U+0061 ;
    ; ligatures from Knuth's original CMR fonts
    U+002D U+002D <> U+2013 ; -- -> en dash
    U+002D U+002D U+002D <> U+2014 ; --- -> em dash

    U+0027 <> U+2019 ; ' -> right single quote
    U+0027 U+0027 <> U+201D ; '' -> right double quote
    U+0022 > U+201D ; " -> right double quote

    U+0060 <> U+2018 ; ` -> left single quote
    U+0060 U+0060 <> U+201C ; `` -> left double quote

    U+0021 U+0060 <> U+00A1 ; !` -> inverted exclam
    U+003F U+0060 <> U+00BF ; ?` -> inverted question


    The I compile the mapping using the TECkit tool.



    teckit_compile -u acaron.map -o acaron.tec


    Afterwards it can be used in XeLaTeX.



    documentclass[margin=10pt]{standalone}
    usepackage{xeCJK,xpinyin}
    setmainfont[Mapping=acaron]{Adobe Garamond Pro}
    begin{document}
    xpinyin*{学而不思则罔}
    end{document}


    enter image description here



    You could also choose the mapping U+01CE > U+02C7 U+0061 ;, i.e. caron followed by a, which then renders as



    enter image description here



    That's not pretty but at least preserves the meaning.








share|improve this answer















Adobe Garamond does not encode ǎ (U+01CE LATIN SMALL LETTER A WITH CARON) and is also missing ̌ (U+030C COMBINING CARON). I can think of two solutions:





  1. Use a different font. There are plenty of nice Garamond-derived typefaces out there which do not have such spotty encoding (and are non-commercial!).



    documentclass[margin=10pt]{standalone}
    usepackage{xeCJK,xpinyin}
    setmainfont{EB Garamond}
    begin{document}
    xpinyin*{学而不思则罔}
    end{document}


    enter image description here



    documentclass[margin=10pt]{standalone}
    usepackage{xeCJK,xpinyin}
    setmainfont{Cormorant Garamond}
    begin{document}
    xpinyin*{学而不思则罔}
    end{document}


    enter image description here




  2. Remap ǎ (U+01CE LATIN SMALL LETTER A WITH CARON) to something else. Here I map it to just the regular a (U+0061 LATIN SMALL LETTER A). The mapping below is derived from the standard tex-text mapping.



    acaron.map



    LHSName "acaron"
    RHSName "a"
    pass(Unicode)
    ; replace acaron with a
    U+01CE > U+0061 ;
    ; ligatures from Knuth's original CMR fonts
    U+002D U+002D <> U+2013 ; -- -> en dash
    U+002D U+002D U+002D <> U+2014 ; --- -> em dash

    U+0027 <> U+2019 ; ' -> right single quote
    U+0027 U+0027 <> U+201D ; '' -> right double quote
    U+0022 > U+201D ; " -> right double quote

    U+0060 <> U+2018 ; ` -> left single quote
    U+0060 U+0060 <> U+201C ; `` -> left double quote

    U+0021 U+0060 <> U+00A1 ; !` -> inverted exclam
    U+003F U+0060 <> U+00BF ; ?` -> inverted question


    The I compile the mapping using the TECkit tool.



    teckit_compile -u acaron.map -o acaron.tec


    Afterwards it can be used in XeLaTeX.



    documentclass[margin=10pt]{standalone}
    usepackage{xeCJK,xpinyin}
    setmainfont[Mapping=acaron]{Adobe Garamond Pro}
    begin{document}
    xpinyin*{学而不思则罔}
    end{document}


    enter image description here



    You could also choose the mapping U+01CE > U+02C7 U+0061 ;, i.e. caron followed by a, which then renders as



    enter image description here



    That's not pretty but at least preserves the meaning.









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  • +1 for mentioning EB Garamond! However, as a native speaker, I disagree with the last solution with U+01CE > U+02C7 U+0061 ;. A more acceptable solution would be wang3 with the 3 denoting the tone, while wang (with only the regular a) would be utterly wrong. ;-)

    – Ruixi Zhang
    1 hour ago





















  • +1 for mentioning EB Garamond! However, as a native speaker, I disagree with the last solution with U+01CE > U+02C7 U+0061 ;. A more acceptable solution would be wang3 with the 3 denoting the tone, while wang (with only the regular a) would be utterly wrong. ;-)

    – Ruixi Zhang
    1 hour ago



















+1 for mentioning EB Garamond! However, as a native speaker, I disagree with the last solution with U+01CE > U+02C7 U+0061 ;. A more acceptable solution would be wang3 with the 3 denoting the tone, while wang (with only the regular a) would be utterly wrong. ;-)

– Ruixi Zhang
1 hour ago







+1 for mentioning EB Garamond! However, as a native speaker, I disagree with the last solution with U+01CE > U+02C7 U+0061 ;. A more acceptable solution would be wang3 with the 3 denoting the tone, while wang (with only the regular a) would be utterly wrong. ;-)

– Ruixi Zhang
1 hour ago




















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